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seanoffshotgun Wrote:
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> CJD1965 Wrote:
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> > This simple answer to this is most likely that
> he
> > was not the only author. I say this because
> the
> > theatre in Tudor and Elizabethan times was a
> very
> > collaborative affair, and my guess is that the
> > final versions were heavily edited and added to
> by
> > members of the company. Also the best criticism
> I
> > have seen of him and the one that I think holds
> > the most water is that Shakespeare was a
> borrower.
> > His peers often claimed that he would "lift"
> > lines from them and rewrite them in his own
> voice.
> > Kit Marlowe was apparently the most vocal
> about
> > this.
> >
> > I have to say just because there isn't
> > documentation of it whose to say that some
> local
> > wealthy do-gooder didn't take interest in old
> Will
> > and give him an education plus access to a
> modest
> > home library.
>
> Hello. Absolutely. Just because there is no record
> does not prove anything. But all it would take
> would be one document showing him to be a writer
> to essentially end the debate. That document is
> yet to found.
>
> I've been delving into all contemporary references
> to the man and the writer. I'm unaware of the
> Marlowe reference that you bring up. Remember that
> Marlowe died before any of the works associated
> with the name William Shakespeare were ever
> printed. Venus and Adonis being the first,
> released in 1594, a month after Marlowe was
> "killed" in very suspicious circumstances. I don't
> see evidence for the claim that he survived or
> faked his death but the whole incident is
> fascinating. I'd be interested to hear if anyone
> has delved into this?

Although the lack of documentation does not prove anything, it is worth comparing that to other writers of his time. Diana Price conducted extensive research of the paper-trail left behind by the 20 leading writers of the era. Shakespeare was the only one for whom nothing has be found. This guy supposedly got all his learning, enormous vocabulary, world knowledge and linguistics from books and friends, but he didn't leave a single letter?!? The collective correspondence of Voltaire is over 20,000!
And remember that Shakespeare is likely the most researched person in history.

Everything about the conventional story makes him the most unique individual who ever lived.

His parents were illiterate.......he was the greatest English writer of all time......his children were illiterate.
He never attended college.......which mades him unique amongst Jacobean and Elizabethan writers. (Ben Jonson did not attend Oxford or Cambridge but he did have extensive schooling which is well documented).
He had the largest vocabulary of any writer before or since.......but no sign of the Stratford dialect in the plays.....not to mention any explanation as to where he acquired this vocabulary
Many comedies by William Shakespeare are said to have been written between 1596-99 (Loves LL, Much Ado, Merchant, Midsummer) .............. William Shaksper's son Hamnet died in 1596.
So many of his plays take place on the continent (13 in Italy)..........The Stratford man never left England...........yet there are specifics which strongly suggest that the writer did.


Oh and his grave is empty and too small to have ever held a body https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/mar/23/shakespeare-stolen-skull-grave-robbing-tale-true

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