History :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For the discussion of general and orthodox history from the advent of writing up to mid 20th Century, i.e. 3,200BC up to World War II. 
Welcome! Log InRegister
I'm curious to hear opinions on some of these issues;

1. How did the Stratford man gain his expertise in foreign languages?

The writer of the plays was fluent in not only Latin and Greek, but also French, Spanish and Italian.
This is undisputed and for me, whilst this question remains unanswered, the authorship question will remain open.

2. How did the writer acquire so much knowledge of continental Europe, especially Italy?

The first question is often explained away with some invented scenario which has the Bard roaming the continent as a sailor, or traveling actor or as a military man. There is no evidence to support any of those claims.

Stratfordians are usually backed into two straw-man arguments when it comes to explaining away the writers supposed expertise in foreign lands. The favorite of the poorly informed, is to dismiss the entire question with something to the effect of "well, we don't know much about the era" or "so much from the time has been lost". These tired statements ignore the amazing work done by countless historians, researchers and archivists. I don't want to assume that people are being disingenuous but one does not have to look deep to see that scores of records, documents, manuscripts, letters.....etc, have survived from the reigns of Queen Elizebeth and James I. If the Stratford man had travelled, there should be some record of it.

Stratfordian scholars are inclined to down-play the writers expertise on foreign matters (as they are increasingly forced to do, with his knowledge on matters concerning the law, medicine, botany, statecraft, falconry, warfare........etc). For me this seems like a monumental disservice to the writer if certain historians are to be believed. It has been shown by many in the past, that the writer's actual knowledge of these locations was very good and in some cases excellent and uncanny. I'm yet to read The Shakespeare Guide to Italy by Richard Paul Roe and I must admit, I have not yet delved deep into this avenue of research, more than taking numerous authors at their word.

Does anyone have knowledge of specifics?

3. How did the Stratford man gain access to extremely rare books?

It has been well established that the writer borrowed from and drew on many rare books as sources. Not only were many of these works only available in foreign languages (Plautus, Virgil, Ovid.....etc), many of the Bards sources were only available in a small number of private libraries.

I am yet to read a satisfactory explanation for this anomaly that does not require some serious loop jumping.

This is not a question of ability, intellect or literary technique. Genius does not recognize class structure. It is essentially a question of means and access.

The typical debate related to this matter, focuses on the fact that William Skakspere left no books in his will. Whilst noteworthy, this is not conclusive to any argument in my opinion, whereas, his knowledge of rare texts, raises serious questions for me.

4. Why was the writer never suspected of being a spy or a Catholic sympathizer?

This is no small mystery. The reign of Queen Elizebeth I is most notable for the religious wars, paranoia of Catholic plots and the constant threat of the Spanish Armada. The late decades of the 16th century are teeming with conspiracies, conflict and spy-craft (Mary Queen of Scots, the assassination plots by Babbington, Throckmorton and Ridolfi, the Essex revolt, the St. Bartholomew's day massacre......etc).

Countless playwrights and noblemen were censored, imprisoned, exiled and/or expunged in this dangerous era. Here is a small list of contemporary notables who suffered under the strict hand of Elizebeth, through her close advisors Lord Burghley and the spy master Sir Francis Walsingham; Christopher Marlowe, Thomas Kyd, Ben Jonson, Sir WalterRaleigh, and the Earls of Essex, Southampton, and Oxford all spent time in the tower for one reason of another. Staying in the authorities good graces was no mean feat.

And yet, one man was able to write, stage and publish provocative plays without consequence. Aristocratic comedies, historical dramas and political tragedies where monarchies are overthrown, Kings are murdered and Queens meet their maker. And this man often wrote in the languages of the most bitter rivals of the state (Spanish and Italian).

Elizabeth was excommunicated by Pope Pius V is 1570, essentially putting a crucifix shaped crosshairs on her. Associations with anything Italian would carry risk and raise questions. Yet, a third of the plays are set in Italy. How is it that the Stratford man was never suspected of being a spy? Is there an explanation that I'm missing here?

I'm looking forward to reading your responses and please inform me of any errors.

P.s. I mean no disrespect by the terms Statfordian and Stratford man. And I apologize for painting all Stratfodians with the same brush. There are many that openly admit and discus these discrepancies (I recently enjoyed James Shapiro's book on the subject, Contested Will), and I respect them for it.

In general terms my frustrations are aimed towards those who state that "SHAKESPEARE WROTE SHAKESPEARE"

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
The Bard 5195 seanoffshotgun 10-Nov-18 16:46
Re: The Bard 438 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:08
Re: The Bard 408 seanoffshotgun 10-Nov-18 23:12
Re: The Bard 417 Eddie Larry 11-Nov-18 04:46
Re: The Bard 436 Reagent 19-Nov-18 09:57
Re: The Bard 395 seanoffshotgun 20-Nov-18 23:11
Re: The Bard 348 seanoffshotgun 18-Jan-19 21:19
Re: The Bard 216 seanoffshotgun 23-Mar-19 00:35
Re: The Bard 224 seanoffshotgun 23-Mar-19 00:56
Re: The Bard 210 Eddie Larry 23-Mar-19 15:35
Re: The Bard 240 seanoffshotgun 23-Mar-19 21:14
Re: The Bard 166 rulebook54 29-Jun-19 17:05
Re: The Bard 131 seanoffshotgun 14-Jul-19 00:40
Re: The Bard 55 rulebook54 21-Oct-19 16:15
Re: The Bard 58 Glass Jigsaw 21-Oct-19 18:59
Re: The Bard 57 Eddie Larry 21-Oct-19 20:32
Re: The Bard 53 seanoffshotgun 21-Oct-19 20:45
Re: The Bard 54 Glass Jigsaw 22-Oct-19 00:50
Re: The Bard 50 Eddie Larry 22-Oct-19 01:53
Re: The Bard 46 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 00:29
Re: The Bard 44 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 01:16
Re: The Bard 50 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 01:31
Re: The Bard 39 seanoffshotgun 24-Oct-19 23:38
Re: The Bard 43 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 03:06
Re: The Bard 43 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 02:36
Re: The Bard 43 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 02:45
Re: The Bard 56 Eddie Larry 21-Oct-19 21:12
Re: The Bard 49 Glass Jigsaw 22-Oct-19 00:31
Re: The Bard 40 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 02:52
Re: The Bard 45 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 00:41
Re: The Bard 41 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 01:39
Re: The Bard 44 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 02:28
Re: The Bard 40 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 02:38
Re: The Bard 45 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 03:20
Re: The Bard 161 seanoffshotgun 14-Jul-19 00:48
Re: The Bard 41 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 00:17
Re: The Bard 39 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 00:37
Re: The Bard 98 CJD1965 29-Aug-19 23:21
Re: The Bard 91 seanoffshotgun 30-Aug-19 23:56
Re: The Bard 98 CJD1965 31-Aug-19 01:24
Re: The Bard 96 seanoffshotgun 31-Aug-19 01:52
Re: The Bard 103 seanoffshotgun 31-Aug-19 02:41
Re: The Bard 99 Glass Jigsaw 06-Sep-19 11:31
Re: The Bard 93 seanoffshotgun 07-Sep-19 03:10
Re: The Bard 89 seanoffshotgun 16-Sep-19 02:30
Re: The Bard 79 Broker 18-Sep-19 22:07
Re: The Bard 82 seanoffshotgun 18-Sep-19 23:29
Re: The Bard 84 Eddie Larry 20-Sep-19 14:48
Re: The Bard 72 seanoffshotgun 20-Sep-19 20:29
Re: The Bard 74 Eddie Larry 20-Sep-19 22:46
Re: The Bard 71 seanoffshotgun 21-Sep-19 01:04
Re: The Bard 79 Eddie Larry 21-Sep-19 04:12
Re: The Bard 73 Glass Jigsaw 21-Sep-19 21:10
Re: The Bard 72 Eddie Larry 22-Sep-19 03:56
Re: The Bard 67 Glass Jigsaw 22-Sep-19 14:44
Re: The Bard 74 Eddie Larry 22-Sep-19 15:20
Re: The Bard 73 Glass Jigsaw 22-Sep-19 17:24
Re: The Bard 65 seanoffshotgun 23-Sep-19 03:48
Re: The Bard 82 MDaines 23-Sep-19 10:40
Re: The Bard 67 Broker 24-Sep-19 00:10
Re: The Bard 74 MDaines 24-Sep-19 16:32
Re: The Bard 70 Glass Jigsaw 24-Sep-19 00:15
Re: The Bard 72 MDaines 24-Sep-19 09:06
Re: The Bard 63 Glass Jigsaw 25-Sep-19 12:59
Re: The Bard 64 Glass Jigsaw 25-Sep-19 13:03
Re: The Bard 62 seanoffshotgun 25-Sep-19 19:25
Re: The Bard 67 Broker 23-Sep-19 23:51
Re: The Bard 72 seanoffshotgun 24-Sep-19 01:09
Re: The Bard 69 seanoffshotgun 24-Sep-19 01:22
Re: The Bard 52 CJD1965 17-Oct-19 18:50
Re: The Bard 45 seanoffshotgun 17-Oct-19 20:09
Re: The Bard 46 seanoffshotgun 17-Oct-19 20:14
Tarot in Shakespeare 66 seanoffshotgun 25-Sep-19 19:49
Re: Tarot in Shakespeare 69 Glass Jigsaw 26-Sep-19 00:12
Re: Tarot in Shakespeare 75 seanoffshotgun 26-Sep-19 01:06
Re: Tarot in Shakespeare 65 Glass Jigsaw 27-Sep-19 00:48
The Two of Sumerian Source 69 MDaines 27-Sep-19 08:17
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 69 Glass Jigsaw 27-Sep-19 11:21
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 80 MDaines 27-Sep-19 12:54
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 65 seanoffshotgun 27-Sep-19 20:14
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 69 Glass Jigsaw 28-Sep-19 18:32
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 74 seanoffshotgun 28-Sep-19 23:03
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 65 Glass Jigsaw 29-Sep-19 19:58
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 72 seanoffshotgun 30-Sep-19 08:31
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 60 Glass Jigsaw 30-Sep-19 13:45
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 64 seanoffshotgun 01-Oct-19 22:52
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 63 Glass Jigsaw 02-Oct-19 14:37
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 65 seanoffshotgun 02-Oct-19 19:53
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 65 Glass Jigsaw 03-Oct-19 00:13
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 71 seanoffshotgun 03-Oct-19 05:48
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 72 Glass Jigsaw 04-Oct-19 14:59
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 67 seanoffshotgun 08-Oct-19 22:04
Re: The Two of Sumerian Source 60 Glass Jigsaw 09-Oct-19 19:45
Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 67 Edmond 15-Oct-19 11:53
Re: Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 62 Glass Jigsaw 16-Oct-19 00:31
Re: Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 69 Edmond 16-Oct-19 06:22
Re: Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 54 seanoffshotgun 16-Oct-19 22:56
Re: Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 58 Edmond 18-Oct-19 17:02
Re: Rennes le Chateau and Bains mysteries, hoaxes, context 51 seanoffshotgun 18-Oct-19 19:14
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 50 Edmond 22-Oct-19 07:03
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 51 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 07:17
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 49 Edmond 23-Oct-19 18:10
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 47 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 19:17
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 40 seanoffshotgun 24-Oct-19 23:48
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 50 Edmond 25-Oct-19 16:24
Re: Mystery links challenge anthropology 57 Glass Jigsaw 25-Oct-19 18:53
The Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph are Hermetic 73 MDaines 08-Oct-19 07:56
Re: The Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph are Hermetic 73 seanoffshotgun 08-Oct-19 21:55
Re: Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph 75 MDaines 10-Oct-19 07:44
Re: Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph 62 Glass Jigsaw 10-Oct-19 16:52
Re: Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph 60 seanoffshotgun 11-Oct-19 19:08
Re: Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph 59 Glass Jigsaw 12-Oct-19 16:42
Re: Four Ts of Shakespeare’s Epitaph 71 seanoffshotgun 11-Oct-19 19:04
The Will of William 46 MDaines 23-Oct-19 09:07
Re: The Will of William 44 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 12:57
The Phoenix and the Turtle 72 MDaines 15-Oct-19 10:26
Re: The Phoenix and the Turtle 64 Glass Jigsaw 16-Oct-19 12:17
Re: The Phoenix and the Turtle 64 seanoffshotgun 16-Oct-19 23:09
New candidate 59 seanoffshotgun 21-Oct-19 21:11
Re: New candidate 52 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 03:35
Re: New candidate 53 seanoffshotgun 22-Oct-19 03:45
Re: New candidate 54 Glass Jigsaw 22-Oct-19 14:50
Re: New candidate 42 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 01:25
Re: New candidate 49 seanoffshotgun 23-Oct-19 01:28
Re: New candidate 50 Glass Jigsaw 23-Oct-19 13:31
Re: New candidate 39 seanoffshotgun 25-Oct-19 00:04
Re: New candidate 39 Glass Jigsaw 25-Oct-19 01:28
Re: New candidate 38 seanoffshotgun 25-Oct-19 01:35
Re: New candidate 41 Glass Jigsaw 25-Oct-19 01:47
Re: New candidate 44 seanoffshotgun 25-Oct-19 01:56
Re: New candidate 49 Glass Jigsaw 25-Oct-19 02:26
Re: The Bard 47 Eddie Larry 29-Oct-19 18:18
Re: The Bard 44 Glass Jigsaw 29-Oct-19 18:50
Re: The Bard 40 Eddie Larry 29-Oct-19 20:30
Re: The Bard 44 seanoffshotgun 29-Oct-19 21:19
Re: The Bard 46 Eddie Larry 29-Oct-19 22:39
Re: The Bard 43 seanoffshotgun 29-Oct-19 23:15
Re: The Bard 45 Glass Jigsaw 30-Oct-19 01:43
Re: The Bard 40 Eddie Larry 30-Oct-19 02:05
Re: The Bard 40 Glass Jigsaw 30-Oct-19 02:18
Re: The Bard 43 seanoffshotgun 30-Oct-19 02:53
Re: The Bard 45 Glass Jigsaw 30-Oct-19 13:47
Re: The Bard 40 seanoffshotgun 31-Oct-19 00:30
Re: The Bard 39 Eddie Larry 31-Oct-19 04:22
Re: The Bard 35 seanoffshotgun 31-Oct-19 18:48
Re: The Bard 40 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 00:26
The Heresy of Hermeticism 43 MDaines 31-Oct-19 08:32
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 39 seanoffshotgun 31-Oct-19 19:12
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 39 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 00:44
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 47 seanoffshotgun 01-Nov-19 01:11
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 42 Glass Jigsaw 01-Nov-19 14:10
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 38 seanoffshotgun 01-Nov-19 20:49
Re: The Heresy of Hermeticism 43 Glass Jigsaw 02-Nov-19 01:41
Re: The Bard 55 Glass Jigsaw 30-Oct-19 01:34
Re: The Bard 55 seanoffshotgun 30-Oct-19 07:10
Re: The Bard 45 seanoffshotgun 01-Nov-19 00:16
The Spy theory 41 seanoffshotgun 05-Nov-19 00:57
Re: The Spy theory 38 Glass Jigsaw 06-Nov-19 19:05
Re: The Spy theory 42 seanoffshotgun 07-Nov-19 05:55
Re: The Spy theory 31 Glass Jigsaw 07-Nov-19 23:32
Re: The Spy theory 30 seanoffshotgun 08-Nov-19 00:28
Re: The Spy theory 30 seanoffshotgun 08-Nov-19 00:40
Re: The Spy theory 36 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 01:25
Re: The Spy theory 38 seanoffshotgun 08-Nov-19 06:03
Re: The Spy theory 34 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 21:16
Re: The Spy theory 42 seanoffshotgun 08-Nov-19 21:36
The Bad Quarto of Hamlet 41 MDaines 09-Nov-19 09:17
Re: The Bad Quarto of Hamlet 33 seanoffshotgun 09-Nov-19 22:56
THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 36 MDaines 11-Nov-19 10:29
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 36 Glass Jigsaw 11-Nov-19 14:55
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 32 seanoffshotgun 11-Nov-19 16:22
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 33 Glass Jigsaw 11-Nov-19 18:12
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 31 seanoffshotgun 12-Nov-19 13:59
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 31 Glass Jigsaw 12-Nov-19 14:14
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 33 seanoffshotgun 12-Nov-19 14:49
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 34 Glass Jigsaw 12-Nov-19 17:17
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 35 seanoffshotgun 13-Nov-19 06:52
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 35 Glass Jigsaw 13-Nov-19 13:15
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 31 seanoffshotgun 14-Nov-19 08:13
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 38 Glass Jigsaw 14-Nov-19 13:34
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 28 seanoffshotgun 15-Nov-19 07:28
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 29 Glass Jigsaw 15-Nov-19 16:45
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 29 seanoffshotgun 15-Nov-19 17:00
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 43 Glass Jigsaw 15-Nov-19 17:21
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 29 Glass Jigsaw 18-Nov-19 02:03
Re: THE MADLY-USED MALVOLIO 31 seanoffshotgun 19-Nov-19 07:00
Re: The Spy theory 39 Glass Jigsaw 11-Nov-19 00:42
Re: The Spy theory 32 seanoffshotgun 08-Nov-19 21:41
Re: The Spy theory 32 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 21:55
Re: The Spy theory 32 Glass Jigsaw 08-Nov-19 22:12
Re: The Spy theory 32 seanoffshotgun 09-Nov-19 01:49
Re: The Spy theory 41 seanoffshotgun 09-Nov-19 02:02
Re: The Spy theory 56 Glass Jigsaw 09-Nov-19 03:17
Re: The Spy theory 55 seanoffshotgun 09-Nov-19 23:05
John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 27 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Nov-19 23:09
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 21 seanoffshotgun 24-Nov-19 03:24
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 26 seanoffshotgun 24-Nov-19 03:28
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 20 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Nov-19 17:01
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 27 seanoffshotgun 24-Nov-19 17:25
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 33 Glass Jigsaw 25-Nov-19 01:57
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 34 seanoffshotgun 26-Nov-19 09:24
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 17 Glass Jigsaw 02-Dec-19 13:42
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 15 seanoffshotgun 02-Dec-19 21:37
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 15 Glass Jigsaw 03-Dec-19 01:10
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 17 seanoffshotgun 03-Dec-19 01:26
Re: John Fletcher & Petr Plecháč’s Machine-Learning Algorithms 23 Glass Jigsaw 03-Dec-19 11:56


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.