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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
>
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
>
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
>
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.


The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 7163 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1256 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 1017 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 1000 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 1031 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 937 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 938 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 899 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 1038 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 826 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 755 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 752 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 840 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 827 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 708 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 921 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 689 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 790 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 805 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 870 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 744 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 987 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 978 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 731 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 762 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 896 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 744 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 784 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 724 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 719 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 697 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 700 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 766 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 804 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 783 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 764 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 752 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 924 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 751 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 946 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 461 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 571 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 559 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 524 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 914 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19


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