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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
>
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
>
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
>
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.


The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 6893 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1152 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 921 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 905 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 914 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 832 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 841 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 796 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 905 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 739 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 655 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 660 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 749 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 718 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 609 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 807 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 589 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 693 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 688 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 770 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 662 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 886 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 889 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 638 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 642 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 808 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 638 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 680 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 636 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 629 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 611 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 597 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 662 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 714 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 699 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 672 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 658 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 814 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 643 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 828 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 350 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 457 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 445 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 424 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 759 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19


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