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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.

The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 7131 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1244 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 1007 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 990 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 1020 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 928 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 928 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 887 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 1019 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 817 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 746 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 739 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 829 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 812 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 697 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 911 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 679 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 780 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 795 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 860 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 737 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 977 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 966 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 721 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 749 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 887 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 734 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 773 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 712 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 706 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 688 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 690 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 757 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 793 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 771 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 752 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 740 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 909 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 737 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 934 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 448 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 560 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 545 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 516 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 899 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19

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