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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.

The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 7312 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1300 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 1063 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 1048 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 1075 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 984 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 984 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 946 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 1090 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 870 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 800 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 795 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 890 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 875 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 756 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 970 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 735 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 840 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 855 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 911 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 788 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 1028 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 1020 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 774 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 810 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 938 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 788 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 832 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 771 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 763 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 740 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 745 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 809 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 852 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 824 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 807 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 798 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 974 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 797 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 995 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 512 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 621 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 606 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 573 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 997 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19

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