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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
>
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
>
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
>
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.


The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 6782 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1103 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 873 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 854 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 866 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 784 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 793 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 750 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 848 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 695 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 614 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 614 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 703 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 671 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 558 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 754 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 545 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 643 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 636 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 732 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 623 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 842 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 850 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 592 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 594 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 771 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 599 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 631 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 598 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 587 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 571 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 558 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 621 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 672 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 661 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 634 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 622 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 763 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 597 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 784 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 305 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 411 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 403 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 378 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 697 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19


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