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bsbray Wrote:

> So we start with the fact that a lot of
> astronomical myths and symbols predated
> Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism,
> or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.
>
> There are many individual similarities between the
> gospels and earlier religions and myths that the
> astrotheological case is built upon. Some of
> these are already apparent in the letters of Paul
> and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but
> the full story comes out in the gospels, the
> earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is
> typically dated around 70-90 AD.
>
> This is the problem. When we talk about the
> earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are
> citing these same documents where the
> astrotheology elements are already present. As
> far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation
> of Christianity was never promoted by the church,
> whether it was the early churches or the official
> one later in Rome.
>
> We know the theologies developed by the early
> church fathers because we have the literature and
> can see how it evolved over time. But the
> astrotheological elements are already present in
> the earliest documents
, the same that we would
> use for building the purely historical case.
> Based on that alone I wonder how any historical
> information can be teased out at all. If we
> remove everything that is similar to earlier myths
> then we might literally have nothing left but a
> few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even
> Herod at least has been challenged on various
> grounds.


The fact that certain myths and symbols predate Christianity (or Judaism) is an interesting but oversimplified way to look at the question of historicity. It only speaks to the relative occurrence in time of those myths and symbols. It certainly can't prove that the latter borrowed from the former. It doesn't address the question of accessibility of those former myths and legends by the latter. In the end, from an historical point of view, it's little more than a curiosity.

For example, flood myths: Flood myths are quite common in cultures around the world, in pretty much every period. But, it doesn't mean that the latter ones borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

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The Historical Jesus 7001 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1201 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 966 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 950 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 966 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 882 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 888 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 839 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 964 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 780 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 694 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 701 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 794 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 766 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 655 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 859 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 639 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 740 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 734 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 811 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 702 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 936 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 932 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 682 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 690 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 850 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 681 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 735 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 672 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 669 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 652 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 637 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 706 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 756 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 739 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 713 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 701 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 866 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 696 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 876 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 395 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 501 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 490 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 473 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 830 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19


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