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As the founding historical Jesus Christ faded, and the Theological Jesus Christ emerged, so did these symbols.

So we start with the fact that a lot of astronomical myths and symbols predated Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism, or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.

There are many individual similarities between the gospels and earlier religions and myths that the astrotheological case is built upon. Some of these are already apparent in the letters of Paul and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but the full story comes out in the gospels, the earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is typically dated around 70-90 AD.

This is the problem. When we talk about the earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are citing these same documents where the astrotheology elements are already present. As far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation of Christianity was never promoted by the church, whether it was the early churches or the official one later in Rome.

We know the theologies developed by the early church fathers because we have the literature and can see how it evolved over time. But the astrotheological elements are already present in the earliest documents, the same that we would use for building the purely historical case. Based on that alone I wonder how any historical information can be teased out at all. If we remove everything that is similar to earlier myths then we might literally have nothing left but a few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even Herod at least has been challenged on various grounds.

This also indicates that these elements must have been introduced very rapidly, and not over some great period of time, if they were introduced into an authentic historical narrative at all. They were there literally from the first time we see any historical evidence at all, and we are talking about records from people who are supposed to have walked and talked with Jesus and then recorded it all in writing, and then these writings passed to us with very little significant changes in the content (or so we assume). If Jesus was crucified around 30 AD as commonly believed, and the Gospel of Mark was written around 70 AD, that's roughly a 40 year period to work with, in order to explain how these things appeared so early in the texts. Many of the astrotheological elements also appear in earlier epistles.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10-Mar-16 05:26 by bsbray.

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The Historical Jesus 6896 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1153 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 922 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 905 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 914 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 833 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 841 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 796 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 906 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 740 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 655 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 661 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 749 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 719 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 609 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 807 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 589 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 694 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 688 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 771 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 662 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 886 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 890 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 638 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 642 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 808 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 638 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 680 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 637 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 629 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 611 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 598 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 663 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 714 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 701 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 673 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 659 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 815 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 644 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 828 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 351 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 457 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 445 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 425 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 759 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19

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