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As the founding historical Jesus Christ faded, and the Theological Jesus Christ emerged, so did these symbols.

So we start with the fact that a lot of astronomical myths and symbols predated Christianity, such as what are found in Mithraism, or ancient Egyptian or Gaulish religion.

There are many individual similarities between the gospels and earlier religions and myths that the astrotheological case is built upon. Some of these are already apparent in the letters of Paul and other early non-gospel texts of the NT, but the full story comes out in the gospels, the earliest of which (thought to be Mark) is typically dated around 70-90 AD.

This is the problem. When we talk about the earliest evidence for the historical Jesus, we are citing these same documents where the astrotheology elements are already present. As far as I know, an astrotheological interpretation of Christianity was never promoted by the church, whether it was the early churches or the official one later in Rome.

We know the theologies developed by the early church fathers because we have the literature and can see how it evolved over time. But the astrotheological elements are already present in the earliest documents, the same that we would use for building the purely historical case. Based on that alone I wonder how any historical information can be teased out at all. If we remove everything that is similar to earlier myths then we might literally have nothing left but a few names such as Caiaphas or Herod, and even Herod at least has been challenged on various grounds.

This also indicates that these elements must have been introduced very rapidly, and not over some great period of time, if they were introduced into an authentic historical narrative at all. They were there literally from the first time we see any historical evidence at all, and we are talking about records from people who are supposed to have walked and talked with Jesus and then recorded it all in writing, and then these writings passed to us with very little significant changes in the content (or so we assume). If Jesus was crucified around 30 AD as commonly believed, and the Gospel of Mark was written around 70 AD, that's roughly a 40 year period to work with, in order to explain how these things appeared so early in the texts. Many of the astrotheological elements also appear in earlier epistles.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10-Mar-16 05:26 by bsbray.

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The Historical Jesus 6783 Pete Vanderzwet 25-May-15 05:54
Re: The Historical Jesus 1103 deeside1 26-May-15 20:09
Re: The Historical Jesus 874 Pete Vanderzwet 02-Jun-15 23:02
Re: The Historical Jesus 856 deeside1 03-Jun-15 17:58
Re: The Historical Jesus 866 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Jun-15 16:46
Re: The Historical Jesus 785 drrayeye 17-Jun-15 19:55
Re: The Historical Jesus 794 deeside1 19-Jun-15 09:31
Re: The Historical Jesus 750 drrayeye 26-Jun-15 00:12
Re: The Historical Jesus 849 Yourconscience 05-Mar-16 16:45
Re: The Historical Jesus 696 bsbray 06-Mar-16 07:49
Re: The Historical Jesus 614 Yourconscience 06-Mar-16 15:44
Re: The Historical Jesus 614 bsbray 06-Mar-16 18:59
Re: The Historical Jesus 704 Eddie Larry 07-Mar-16 00:10
Re: The Historical Jesus 672 Vanya 07-Mar-16 17:52
Re: The Historical Jesus 559 Vanya 07-Mar-16 19:32
Re: The Historical Jesus 755 Yourconscience 08-Mar-16 15:48
Re: The Historical Jesus 545 Vanya 08-Mar-16 18:08
An alternative analysis 643 drrayeye 09-Mar-16 21:13
Re: An alternative analysis 636 Yourconscience 10-Mar-16 19:13
Re: The Historical Jesus 732 grangram 02-Jul-15 16:14
Re: The Historical Jesus 623 deeside1 03-Jul-15 10:37
Re: The Historical Jesus 843 grangram 05-Jul-15 06:43
Re: The Historical Jesus 851 gulsbo 15-Feb-16 19:15
Re: The Historical Jesus 593 grangram 02-Mar-16 12:25
Re: The Historical Jesus 595 BRN4327 25-Mar-17 11:01
Astrotheology? 772 bsbray 02-Mar-16 19:34
Re: Astrotheology? 600 drrayeye 06-Mar-16 15:38
Re: Astrotheology? 632 bsbray 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Astrotheology? 598 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 03:28
Re: Astrotheology? 587 bsbray 10-Mar-16 05:13
Re: Astrotheology? 572 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 06:49
Re: Astrotheology? 558 bsbray 10-Mar-16 21:17
Re: Astrotheology? 621 drrayeye 10-Mar-16 21:52
Re: Astrotheology? 672 bsbray 10-Mar-16 23:57
Re: Astrotheology? 661 drrayeye 11-Mar-16 01:50
Re: Astrotheology? 634 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:43
Re: Astrotheology? 623 OCaptain 30-Mar-16 01:38
Re: Astrotheology? 764 bsbray 15-Apr-16 00:33
Re: Astrotheology? 598 BRN4327 22-Apr-17 09:52
Settled science IMO 784 David L 11-May-16 13:09
Re: Mithras and Jesus 305 muppedo 28-Jul-17 23:42
Re: Mithras and Jesus 411 Eddie Larry 29-Jul-17 00:12
Re: Mithras and Jesus 403 muppedo 29-Jul-17 23:26
Re: Mithras and Jesus 379 eyeofhorus33 11-Aug-17 16:17
Re: Mithras and Jesus 697 muppedo 13-Aug-17 23:19

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