Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Merrell Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> The sample would need to be of sufficient size for
> the lab to be able to carry out the relevant
> analysis.
>
> But no such investigation is necessary, anyway.

> > The more we see revelations of tenuous
> conclusions
> > that were drawn by early investigators and
> > "historians", the more we would expect
> > Egyptologists to want to get to the real
> answers.
>
> They've got the real answers already.

> Over past centuries, using various different
> methodologies, Egyptian archaeologists have
> gradually established more and more about AE
> chronology, and AE historical context - including
> that of the GP.
>
> Consequently, Egyptian archaeologists do not need
> to make unnecessary and possibly damaging
> investigations.


An attitude that has prevailed since the translation of Manetho to English. And it was most definitely in place before the advent of carbon dating.

Quote
OXFORD HANDBOOKS ONLINE
Aside from questions about which calibration curve should be used for Egyptian samples, Egyptologists in general remained very skeptical about the use of the method for the field. I. E. S. Edwards pointed out that he could not “pretend that 14C has yet made any actual impact on our reconstruction of Egyptian chronology” (Edwards 1970, 11), and Ronald Long came to the conclusion that radiocarbon dating was not a suitable tool for refining Egyptian chronology where “dating is facilitated by other more precise methods” (Long 1976, 35). At that time radiocarbon dating still was extremely expensive and required substantial sample sizes, so that Egyptologists and archaeologists were hesitant to take on this new dating method because of financial and conservational issues. However, that absolute calendar dates for the historical chronology as reconstructed based on the interpretation of written sources were for the first time (albeit with considerable error margins) approximately confirmed was rarely acknowledged. Most Egyptologists expected that at best radiocarbon dating would tell them something that they already knew. “If a C14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in a foot-note. And if it is completely ‘out of date,’ we just drop it”
From : Säve-Söderbergh, T., and Ingrid U. Olsson. 1970. “C14 Dating and Egyptian Chronology.” In Radiocarbon Variations and Absolute Chronology: Proceedings of the Twelfth Nobel Symposium Held at the Institute of Physics at Uppsala University, edited by Ingrid U. Olsson, 35–55. Stockholm: Almquist & Wiksell.

Quote
A. Bruce Mainwaring Chairman, Board of Overseers - University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
Excerpt:

Dear Dr. van Oosterhout,

Stephen Talbott, the editor of Pensée, has referred your letter of January 3 to me for reply. I am the coordinator of a Carbon 14 project which is sponsored by the Foundation for Studies of Modern Science. Inc. The project is being conducted by the Applied Science Center for Archaeology of the University Museum of the University of Pennsylvania. They have been working along with the British Museum in obtaining data for the project……….

Enclosed you will find a copy of a letter dated April 6, 1971, from Dr. I. E. S, Edwards, the keeper of Egyptology at the British Museum, addressed to Dr. Henry N. Michael at the University Museum, University of Pennsylvania. You will note the reference on page 2 to the samples #BM-642A and #BM-642B in which you expressed interest. I have for some time been quite curious as to why these results had not been published ii. “Radiocarbon.” In a conversation which I had last October will) Mr. Burleigh, the director of the laboratory of tire British Museum, he slated that he expected that the results would be published “shortly.” Upon further questioning, he admitted that results which deviate substantially from what is expected are often discarded and never published. It is my personal opinion that that is what happened in this case.

Sincerely yours,

A. Bruce Mainwaring

Quote
Reply to Mainwaring
Dear Mr. Mainwaring

Thank you very much for your letter of January 29th, 1973 on radiocarbon dates of material from Tutankhamun’s tomb. In the mean time we got an answer from the British Museum: “Dear Sir: With reference to your enquiry of 3rd Jan. this laboratory has made no measurements on material from the tomb of Tutankhamun. Yours faithfully, H. Barker.”
Apparently Mr. Barker does not know what’s going on in his laboratory, to say it kindly. This is much worse than what you said. Deviating results are not only not published, it is even denied that they have been found. . .

Sincerely yours,

G. W. van Oosterhout

Quote
Mr. William C. Hayes, Curator of Egyptian Art of the Metropolitan Museum of Art
Immanuel Velikovsky

Dear Sir:

The seemingly irreconcilable difference in dating this period [New Kingdom] caused me to inquire whether any chronology had been substantiated through some means other than by philological or archaeological research. Therefore, I wrote to Mr. William C. Hayes, Curator of Egyptian Art of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, asking him if he knew whether any artifacts from the Eighteenth Dynasty, particularly of the Reigns of Hatshepsut or Menkeperre had been dated by the radio-carbon or carbon 14 method and if so, what the results were. He replied that he knew of none that had been tested in this way and that “in the light of the very complete knowledge we have on this tightly dated and closely recorded period, it would serve no useful purpose to have this done “. . .

Very truly yours,

Francis J. Asip

Long Island, New York

Quote
A.F. shore, Assistant Keeper Department of Egyptian Antiquities The British Museum
Immanuel Velikovsky

Dear Sir,
Your letter of July 22nd addressed to Dr. Wiseman has been referred to me. . .
There has been so far as I am aware no radiocarbon dating of objects from the New Kingdom. I do not think that such a test, given the necessary measure of tolerance which must be allowed, is likely at the moment to give a chronology for the New Kingdom which is any more certain than a chronology deduced by historical methods.

Yours faithfully,

A. F. Shore, Assistant Keeper

Department of Egyptian Antiquities

The British Museum

Quote
Assistant Professor of Egyptology, Dr. Klaus Baer
EXCERPT:
Dear Dr. Velikovsky:

From that department I had an answer from the Assistant Professor of Egyptology, Dr. Klaus Baer. This short letter I quote in full.
“As far as I know there are no radiocarbon datings of any objects from the New Kingdom. However, since the chronology of ancient Egypt is quite closely fixed by astronomical evidence from the Eleventh Dynasty onward, in part, to the nearest year. radiocarbon, with its substantial margin of error, could hardly add anything to our knowledge of the chronology of the New Kingdom. Hayes, The Sceptre of Egypt, Vol. II, dates Rameses III to 1192-1160 B.C., and this date is not likely to contain a margin of error greater than about five years each way.”

Sincerely yours,

Rev. Benjamin N. Adams

Trinity Presbyterian Church
San Francisco

Quote
Beta Analytic Laboratories
Interpretation of radiocarbon dating results is not straightforward, and there are times when archaeologists deem the carbon 14 dating results “archaeologically unacceptable.” In this case, the archaeologist rejected the radiocarbon dating results upon evaluation of the chronology of the excavation site.

Labs ask clients on the expected age of the radiocarbon dating samples submitted to make sure that cross-contamination is avoided during sample processing and that no sample of substantial age (more than 10,000 years) must follow modern ones.

Quote
RADIOCARBON DATING AND ICELANDIC ARCHAEOLOGY - Vilhjdlmur örn Vilhjrilmsson
For several years the results of 14C datings made on Icelandic samples have repeatedly been questioned.
Results which are unexpectedly old have either been explained by extraordinary factors or rejected as being
less accurate than dates obtained by the local method of tephrochronology.
On the other hand some 14C dates, seemingly older than the conventional landnam, have in later years by a single archaeologist, been interpreted as indicating a much earlier and hitherto unknown settlement in Iceland (Hermanns-Audarddttir 1989).

This attitude extends to the OK as well. Exasperation gives way to disbelief. Tell me it isn't so. That in this day and age, Egyptology is still functioning as a closed minded elite circle, that doesn't need no stinkin' science.

Should I express my exasperation or disbelief as hostility towards others? Should I take it out on others? Some will shake their heads and throw up their hands, some will become hostile. Hostility does not always, and not necessarily follow exasperation. A healthy mind can differentiate between the two. The big clue is the expression of each, there is no confusing them.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Orthos Hypocrisy 2012 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 351 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 362 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 316 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 262 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 343 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 303 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 381 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 366 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 290 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 273 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 357 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 332 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 287 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 304 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 262 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 298 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 351 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 290 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 283 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 326 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 323 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 384 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 316 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 273 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 327 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 280 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 324 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 310 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 280 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 277 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 336 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 278 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 345 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 263 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 303 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 405 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 293 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 334 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 417 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 463 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 321 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 441 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 412 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 342 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 435 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 414 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 335 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 418 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 381 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 435 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 414 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 431 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 389 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 395 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 374 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 346 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 419 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 297 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 416 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 453 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 415 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 380 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 327 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 379 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 350 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 338 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 318 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 306 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 276 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 314 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 357 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 409 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 314 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 301 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 326 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 320 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 284 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 211 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 275 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 377 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 269 Warwick 20-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 334 Merrell 20-Mar-17 20:26
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 372 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 362 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 244 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 289 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 264 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 369 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 271 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 239 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 277 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 317 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 301 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 339 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 270 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 360 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 409 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 418 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 326 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 525 Thunderbird 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 302 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:32
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 412 Origyptian 21-Mar-17 03:45
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 278 Corpuscles 21-Mar-17 04:00
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 313 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:22
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 328 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 330 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 383 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 312 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 285 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 291 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 323 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 279 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 317 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 276 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 368 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 333 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 326 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 460 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 598 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 288 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 291 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:23
Re: kind request 307 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
Re: kind request 301 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:19
Re: kind request 373 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 02:50
Re: kind request 442 Audrey 20-Mar-17 03:09
Re: kind request 239 Warwick 20-Mar-17 13:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 357 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 263 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 427 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 244 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 237 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 402 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 290 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 274 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 274 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 283 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 386 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 246 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 353 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 353 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 361 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 190 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 246 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 230 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 433 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 356 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 242 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 246 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 333 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 470 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 255 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 224 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 246 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 180 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 266 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 604 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 206 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 187 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 309 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 136 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 160 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 151 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 156 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 175 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 176 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 133 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 171 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 147 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 150 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 140 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 186 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 180 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 181 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 125 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 149 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 161 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 152 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 158 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 163 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 100 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 130 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 158 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 177 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 177 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 132 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 131 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 159 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 182 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 171 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 184 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 283 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 383 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 256 Warwick 19-Jun-17 05:48


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.