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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I see it as a matter of making a
> subjective evaluation of what's "ill-advised
> and unnecessary".


No, it's not subjective. It's based on evaluations and conclusions from Egyptological archaeologists, who, unlike some others, are not only specialists, but also experts, in this field, and know what they're talking about.

> If you don't have all the
> expertise contributing to the "advice" (such as
> engineers, physicists, chemists, mathematicians,
> etc.), then the decision risks being misinformed.

See my comment above.

> There's a certain irony in your comment that, on
> one hand we need to preserve and conserve those
> paint marks, and yet the authorities allow no one
> up there to view them, nor do they have a photo
> library available to us.

The first priority is to preserve the crewmarks.

Given all the problems caused by the activities of Gorlitz and Erdmann in the relieving chambers in recent years, I'm not surprised by the ban imposed by the authorities.

> So who are they being
> preserved for? What good are they if they're
> essentially "non-existent" to the rest of the
> world? We don't even know what's up there other
> than to take Perring's drawings as the final word,
> and we've already seen a couple of errors in those
> drawings.

One hopes that the authorities will at some point commission a full photographic record to be made of the various dipinti in the chambers.

Perhaps, at some stage, as at Lascaux, they might even commission a full-scale reproduction of the chambers, complete with painted crewmarks, in order to avoid any further damage to the original.

> Considering the monstrosity of some of those other
> extremely invasive "restorations" in G1, a few
> tiny scratches of paint that might reveal an
> objective measure of provenance would not
> significantly jeopardize the safety and
> conservation of those paint marks.

The sample would need to be of sufficient size for the lab to be able to carry out the relevant analysis.

But no such investigation is necessary, anyway.

> And doing so
> years ago might have prevented the vandalism we
> see up in those rafters today.

I wish the authorities could find some way of removing the disfigurements caused by the WWI and WWII graffiti.

> The more we see revelations of tenuous conclusions
> that were drawn by early investigators and
> "historians", the more we would expect
> Egyptologists to want to get to the real answers.

They've got the real answers already.

> Relying on context that was drawn over a century
> ago without feeling any need to revisit those
> conclusions with modern methods sends a signal of
> "fear" more than "safety".

Over past centuries, using various different methodologies, Egyptian archaeologists have gradually established more and more about AE chronology, and AE historical context - including that of the GP.

Consequently, Egyptian archaeologists do not need to make unnecessary and possibly damaging investigations.

> But I certainly understand why you disagree with
> that characterization.

I doubt if you do understand.

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Orthos Hypocrisy 2060 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 364 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 362 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 357 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 361 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 321 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 320 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 404 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 376 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 303 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 285 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 372 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 345 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 314 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 331 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 296 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 337 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 353 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 323 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 339 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 400 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 306 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 336 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 302 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 295 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 333 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 327 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 293 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 297 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 350 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 296 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 359 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 277 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 422 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 304 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 429 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 476 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 338 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 458 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 424 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 449 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 432 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 432 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 394 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 453 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 326 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 425 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 448 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 356 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 416 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 276 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 327 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 428 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 466 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 433 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
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Re: kind request 339 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
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Re: kind request 368 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
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Re: kind request 321 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 288 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 329 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 368 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 420 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 327 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 310 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 337 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 332 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 297 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 396 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 308 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 278 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 287 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 349 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 292 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 316 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 351 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 291 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 375 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 424 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 429 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 339 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 342 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 402 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 327 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 300 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 303 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 337 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 294 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 390 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 345 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 478 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 616 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 315 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 303 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 379 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 293 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 380 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 313 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 258 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 250 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 420 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 306 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 289 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 405 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 352 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 271 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 389 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 257 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 362 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 201 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 257 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 248 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 242 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 452 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 372 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 348 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 487 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 392 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 266 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 244 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 281 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 193 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 187 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 277 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 625 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 220 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 204 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 184 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 329 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 147 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 170 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 169 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 173 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 194 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 189 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 168 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 193 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 146 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 190 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 163 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 162 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 168 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 185 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 179 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 207 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 196 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 197 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 177 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 174 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 166 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 170 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 173 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 111 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 170 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 189 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 191 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 145 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 144 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 174 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 199 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 183 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 182 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 182 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 188 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 180 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 206 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
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