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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I see it as a matter of making a
> subjective evaluation of what's "ill-advised
> and unnecessary".


No, it's not subjective. It's based on evaluations and conclusions from Egyptological archaeologists, who, unlike some others, are not only specialists, but also experts, in this field, and know what they're talking about.

> If you don't have all the
> expertise contributing to the "advice" (such as
> engineers, physicists, chemists, mathematicians,
> etc.), then the decision risks being misinformed.

See my comment above.

> There's a certain irony in your comment that, on
> one hand we need to preserve and conserve those
> paint marks, and yet the authorities allow no one
> up there to view them, nor do they have a photo
> library available to us.

The first priority is to preserve the crewmarks.

Given all the problems caused by the activities of Gorlitz and Erdmann in the relieving chambers in recent years, I'm not surprised by the ban imposed by the authorities.

> So who are they being
> preserved for? What good are they if they're
> essentially "non-existent" to the rest of the
> world? We don't even know what's up there other
> than to take Perring's drawings as the final word,
> and we've already seen a couple of errors in those
> drawings.

One hopes that the authorities will at some point commission a full photographic record to be made of the various dipinti in the chambers.

Perhaps, at some stage, as at Lascaux, they might even commission a full-scale reproduction of the chambers, complete with painted crewmarks, in order to avoid any further damage to the original.

> Considering the monstrosity of some of those other
> extremely invasive "restorations" in G1, a few
> tiny scratches of paint that might reveal an
> objective measure of provenance would not
> significantly jeopardize the safety and
> conservation of those paint marks.

The sample would need to be of sufficient size for the lab to be able to carry out the relevant analysis.

But no such investigation is necessary, anyway.

> And doing so
> years ago might have prevented the vandalism we
> see up in those rafters today.

I wish the authorities could find some way of removing the disfigurements caused by the WWI and WWII graffiti.

> The more we see revelations of tenuous conclusions
> that were drawn by early investigators and
> "historians", the more we would expect
> Egyptologists to want to get to the real answers.

They've got the real answers already.

> Relying on context that was drawn over a century
> ago without feeling any need to revisit those
> conclusions with modern methods sends a signal of
> "fear" more than "safety".

Over past centuries, using various different methodologies, Egyptian archaeologists have gradually established more and more about AE chronology, and AE historical context - including that of the GP.

Consequently, Egyptian archaeologists do not need to make unnecessary and possibly damaging investigations.

> But I certainly understand why you disagree with
> that characterization.

I doubt if you do understand.

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Orthos Hypocrisy 2033 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 355 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 354 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 342 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 321 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 265 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 347 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 309 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 306 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 390 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 369 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 277 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 360 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 308 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 266 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 345 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 356 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 305 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 320 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 285 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 331 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 344 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 330 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 389 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 322 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 296 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 277 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 332 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 312 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 286 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 326 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 315 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 286 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 282 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 342 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 282 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 350 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 268 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 409 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 369 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 296 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 338 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 421 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 467 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 325 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 446 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 415 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 346 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 442 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 417 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 423 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 385 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 440 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 319 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 418 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 438 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 343 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 399 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 267 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 351 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 423 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 302 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 310 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 419 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 458 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 424 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 386 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 331 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 383 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 357 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 343 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 323 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 311 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 281 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 320 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 361 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 413 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 320 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 298 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 330 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 324 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 289 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 215 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 280 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 385 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
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Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 377 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 367 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 251 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 295 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 269 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 375 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 276 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 242 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 342 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 282 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 323 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 306 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 342 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 275 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 366 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 414 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 420 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 329 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
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Re: Effects on the mind : ) 333 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 334 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 387 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 319 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 288 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 297 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 327 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 322 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 282 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 374 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 337 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 329 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 467 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 603 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 307 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
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Re: kind request 314 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
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Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 363 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 286 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 266 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 372 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 432 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 305 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 249 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 240 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 409 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 285 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 344 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 265 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 250 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 264 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 355 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 129 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 193 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 250 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 241 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 263 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 130 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 235 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 439 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 363 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 249 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 252 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 476 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 383 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 259 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 229 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 251 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 179 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 269 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 612 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 211 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 314 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 139 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 163 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 157 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 160 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 179 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 180 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 138 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 175 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 150 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 154 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 168 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 140 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 131 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 193 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 184 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 186 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 130 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 167 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 158 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 161 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 166 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 103 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 162 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 180 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 180 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 138 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 137 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 164 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 185 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 175 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 188 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 287 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 386 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
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