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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I see it as a matter of making a
> subjective evaluation of what's "ill-advised
> and unnecessary".


No, it's not subjective. It's based on evaluations and conclusions from Egyptological archaeologists, who, unlike some others, are not only specialists, but also experts, in this field, and know what they're talking about.

> If you don't have all the
> expertise contributing to the "advice" (such as
> engineers, physicists, chemists, mathematicians,
> etc.), then the decision risks being misinformed.

See my comment above.

> There's a certain irony in your comment that, on
> one hand we need to preserve and conserve those
> paint marks, and yet the authorities allow no one
> up there to view them, nor do they have a photo
> library available to us.

The first priority is to preserve the crewmarks.

Given all the problems caused by the activities of Gorlitz and Erdmann in the relieving chambers in recent years, I'm not surprised by the ban imposed by the authorities.

> So who are they being
> preserved for? What good are they if they're
> essentially "non-existent" to the rest of the
> world? We don't even know what's up there other
> than to take Perring's drawings as the final word,
> and we've already seen a couple of errors in those
> drawings.

One hopes that the authorities will at some point commission a full photographic record to be made of the various dipinti in the chambers.

Perhaps, at some stage, as at Lascaux, they might even commission a full-scale reproduction of the chambers, complete with painted crewmarks, in order to avoid any further damage to the original.

> Considering the monstrosity of some of those other
> extremely invasive "restorations" in G1, a few
> tiny scratches of paint that might reveal an
> objective measure of provenance would not
> significantly jeopardize the safety and
> conservation of those paint marks.

The sample would need to be of sufficient size for the lab to be able to carry out the relevant analysis.

But no such investigation is necessary, anyway.

> And doing so
> years ago might have prevented the vandalism we
> see up in those rafters today.

I wish the authorities could find some way of removing the disfigurements caused by the WWI and WWII graffiti.

> The more we see revelations of tenuous conclusions
> that were drawn by early investigators and
> "historians", the more we would expect
> Egyptologists to want to get to the real answers.

They've got the real answers already.

> Relying on context that was drawn over a century
> ago without feeling any need to revisit those
> conclusions with modern methods sends a signal of
> "fear" more than "safety".

Over past centuries, using various different methodologies, Egyptian archaeologists have gradually established more and more about AE chronology, and AE historical context - including that of the GP.

Consequently, Egyptian archaeologists do not need to make unnecessary and possibly damaging investigations.

> But I certainly understand why you disagree with
> that characterization.

I doubt if you do understand.

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Orthos Hypocrisy 1996 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 343 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 355 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 343 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 331 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 254 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 332 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 296 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 374 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 358 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 281 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 265 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 348 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 298 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 253 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 286 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 333 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 345 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 281 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 309 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 275 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 320 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 333 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 318 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 378 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 310 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 266 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 288 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 322 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 273 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 275 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 315 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 303 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 274 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 272 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 329 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 272 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 339 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 258 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 296 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 398 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 285 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 408 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 456 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 436 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 405 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 334 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 427 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 406 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 410 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 374 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 428 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 308 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 409 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 364 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 424 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 375 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 329 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 388 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 256 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 411 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 290 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 406 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 446 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 411 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 375 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 319 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 371 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 342 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 331 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 310 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 298 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 269 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 308 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 348 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 399 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 309 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 287 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 290 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 321 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 314 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 278 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 204 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 268 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 375 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 260 Warwick 20-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 327 Merrell 20-Mar-17 20:26
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 364 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 360 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 242 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 258 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 363 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 262 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 231 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 333 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 267 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 312 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 294 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 332 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 263 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 354 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 403 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 408 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 319 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 517 Thunderbird 21-Mar-17 03:23
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Re: Effects on the mind : ) 401 Origyptian 21-Mar-17 03:45
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 270 Corpuscles 21-Mar-17 04:00
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 303 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:22
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 322 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 321 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 375 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 275 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 315 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 271 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 308 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 269 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 361 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 326 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 314 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 450 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 591 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 297 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 278 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 285 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:23
Re: kind request 297 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
Re: kind request 293 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:19
Re: kind request 367 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 02:50
Re: kind request 436 Audrey 20-Mar-17 03:09
Re: kind request 232 Warwick 20-Mar-17 13:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 349 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 255 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 420 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 229 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 396 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 283 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 269 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 274 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 381 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 330 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 271 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 254 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 339 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 254 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 341 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 354 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 119 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 231 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 253 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 118 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 219 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 426 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 233 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 239 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 326 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 462 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 371 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 245 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 218 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 263 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 240 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 255 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 598 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 199 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 180 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 127 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 304 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 127 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 152 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 145 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 151 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 169 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 168 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 140 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 140 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 127 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 165 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 139 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 144 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 130 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 127 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 154 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 126 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 120 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 179 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 127 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 175 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 117 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 141 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 154 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 154 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 145 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 152 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 151 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 94 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 152 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 168 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 167 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 126 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 125 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 150 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 170 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 163 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 132 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 276 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 376 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
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