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Merrell Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > It doesn't matter that Vyse's team touched it. As
> > I've already said several times, what matters is
> > whether the paint dates before Vyse.
> > If it dates before Vyse, then it's likely
> > authentic, regardless of any contamination that
> > happened from the 1800s onward.
>
> From here:
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An old sample with in situ contamination
> cannot generally provide an accurate date.
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> And a section on contamination
> at this link.
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> I would imagine, however, that most Egyptian
> archaeologists would not see any point in devoting
> resources to dating an item whose archaeological
> context is in itself a secure indication of its date.

I assume your links discuss the problems in dating that are introduced by modern carbon. Thanks, I'm famliar with those artifiacts. As I said, the test I'm proposing is impervious to artifacts from modern carbon. That's because it only looks for the true positive (ie, older than Vyse). Again, if the RCD analysis yields dates prior to the 1800s despite modern carbon contamination, then that's pretty good evidence it's authentic. If modern carbon makes the date contemporaneous to, or newer than, 1837, the result is ignored. The hypothesis is designed to only capture the "true positive" (ie, older than Vyse). In my opinion, such a result is a more powerful indicator of authenticicity than context. That's because the associative context may not be as secure as you seem to think it is since the context itself is based on first principle presumptions, as have already been discussed previously here.

For example, from what I've seen in the evidence, if a wooden statue has a cartouche engraved into it, the statue might be dated per the implied context of that cartouche. But that cartouche could have been engraved at any time after the creation of that statue, and therefore depending on context could be problematic. Dating the wood with RCD could give more objective results that, in the very least, would cause us to take pause and apply greater scrutiny to the piece than simply accept the statue as being authentically contemporaneous with the name inside the cartouche.

With all the controversy over Vyse's character, contradictions in his Operations narrative, oddities in the evidence that cast some doubt over the events he reported, doing such a test could serve to clear up much of that doubt. I understand that there may be little doubt among Egyptologists, but since the issue transcends the scope of Egyptology and enters the realm of engineering, physics, chemistry, math, origins of human civilization, etc., such testing would serve the needs of other cognate (and quantitative) disciplines as well.

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Orthos Hypocrisy 1874 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 304 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 214 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 267 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 326 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 310 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 243 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 225 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 309 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 241 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 258 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 215 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 248 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 289 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 316 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 248 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 244 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 259 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 239 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 267 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 288 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 331 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 271 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 245 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 241 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 250 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 232 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 263 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 233 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 241 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 243 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 278 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 259 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 232 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 242 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 292 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 236 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 297 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 228 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 256 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 353 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 245 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 290 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 369 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 413 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 392 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 380 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 379 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 267 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 360 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 339 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 385 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 312 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 368 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 332 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 278 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 228 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 310 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 366 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 252 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 263 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 356 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 403 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 365 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 343 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 282 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 320 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 284 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 288 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 265 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 256 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 239 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 270 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 308 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 354 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 263 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 250 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 249 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 282 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 279 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 240 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 177 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 229 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 333 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 234 Warwick 20-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 301 Merrell 20-Mar-17 20:26
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 312 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 329 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 217 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 249 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 233 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 325 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 225 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 210 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 299 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 225 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 274 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 262 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 291 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 237 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 309 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 359 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 366 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 285 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 441 Thunderbird 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 244 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:32
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 337 Origyptian 21-Mar-17 03:45
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 230 Corpuscles 21-Mar-17 04:00
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 263 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:22
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 280 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 278 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 332 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 266 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 239 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 260 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 272 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 229 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 263 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 228 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 325 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 271 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 392 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 542 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 256 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 223 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 248 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:23
Re: kind request 252 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
Re: kind request 245 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:19
Re: kind request 322 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 02:50
Re: kind request 389 Audrey 20-Mar-17 03:09
Re: kind request 195 Warwick 20-Mar-17 13:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 237 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 219 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 318 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 380 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 256 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 207 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 207 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 348 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 256 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 231 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 230 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 235 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 329 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 292 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 219 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 216 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 203 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 220 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 298 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 81 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 201 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 199 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 89 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 213 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 78 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 90 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 196 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 207 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 420 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 324 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 202 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 194 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 233 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 94 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 130 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 120 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 122 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 212 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 521 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 97 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 126 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 122 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 84 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 253 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 92 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 115 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 120 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 112 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 128 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 131 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 108 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 106 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 118 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 106 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 100 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 104 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 119 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 103 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 116 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 116 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 102 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 106 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 103 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 95 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 129 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 106 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 106 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 110 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 89 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 125 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 104 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 105 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 123 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 115 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 122 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 110 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 91 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 87 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 119 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 115 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 101 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 117 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 104 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 89 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 122 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 95 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 115 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 94 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 117 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 94 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 107 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 104 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 142 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 129 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 104 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 105 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 97 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 88 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 132 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 89 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 108 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 122 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 111 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 118 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 127 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 114 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 118 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 63 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 84 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 111 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 125 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 127 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 129 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 98 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 88 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 109 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 134 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 126 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 120 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 123 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 110 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 121 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 96 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 108 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 119 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 236 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 330 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 200 Warwick 19-Jun-17 05:48


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