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Merrell Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > It doesn't matter that Vyse's team touched it. As
> > I've already said several times, what matters is
> > whether the paint dates before Vyse.
> > If it dates before Vyse, then it's likely
> > authentic, regardless of any contamination that
> > happened from the 1800s onward.
>
> From here:
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An old sample with in situ contamination
> cannot generally provide an accurate date.
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> And a section on contamination
> at this link.
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> I would imagine, however, that most Egyptian
> archaeologists would not see any point in devoting
> resources to dating an item whose archaeological
> context is in itself a secure indication of its date.

I assume your links discuss the problems in dating that are introduced by modern carbon. Thanks, I'm famliar with those artifiacts. As I said, the test I'm proposing is impervious to artifacts from modern carbon. That's because it only looks for the true positive (ie, older than Vyse). Again, if the RCD analysis yields dates prior to the 1800s despite modern carbon contamination, then that's pretty good evidence it's authentic. If modern carbon makes the date contemporaneous to, or newer than, 1837, the result is ignored. The hypothesis is designed to only capture the "true positive" (ie, older than Vyse). In my opinion, such a result is a more powerful indicator of authenticicity than context. That's because the associative context may not be as secure as you seem to think it is since the context itself is based on first principle presumptions, as have already been discussed previously here.

For example, from what I've seen in the evidence, if a wooden statue has a cartouche engraved into it, the statue might be dated per the implied context of that cartouche. But that cartouche could have been engraved at any time after the creation of that statue, and therefore depending on context could be problematic. Dating the wood with RCD could give more objective results that, in the very least, would cause us to take pause and apply greater scrutiny to the piece than simply accept the statue as being authentically contemporaneous with the name inside the cartouche.

With all the controversy over Vyse's character, contradictions in his Operations narrative, oddities in the evidence that cast some doubt over the events he reported, doing such a test could serve to clear up much of that doubt. I understand that there may be little doubt among Egyptologists, but since the issue transcends the scope of Egyptology and enters the realm of engineering, physics, chemistry, math, origins of human civilization, etc., such testing would serve the needs of other cognate (and quantitative) disciplines as well.

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Orthos Hypocrisy 2061 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 363 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 357 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 361 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 321 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 320 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 404 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 376 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 303 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 286 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 345 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 367 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 314 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 331 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 297 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 337 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 353 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 323 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 341 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 400 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 306 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 316 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 301 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 295 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 303 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 295 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 334 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 327 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 293 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 297 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 350 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 296 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 359 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 277 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 422 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 305 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 429 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 476 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 338 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 458 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 424 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 361 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 449 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 432 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 361 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 432 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 394 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 453 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 326 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 425 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 394 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 448 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 406 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 356 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 416 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 276 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 395 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 442 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 327 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 428 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 466 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 433 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 395 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 339 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 394 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 368 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 354 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 331 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 321 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 288 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 329 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 369 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 420 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 328 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 310 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 337 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 333 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 297 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 223 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 286 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 396 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 280 Warwick 20-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 348 Merrell 20-Mar-17 20:26
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 386 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 379 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 258 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 308 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 278 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 380 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 288 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 251 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 349 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 335 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 316 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 351 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 292 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 375 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 424 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 429 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 339 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 543 Thunderbird 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 315 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:32
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 423 Origyptian 21-Mar-17 03:45
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 288 Corpuscles 21-Mar-17 04:00
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 326 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:22
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 343 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 342 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 402 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 328 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 301 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 304 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 294 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 391 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 346 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 338 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 480 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 616 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 315 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 303 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 309 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:23
Re: kind request 322 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
Re: kind request 315 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:19
Re: kind request 387 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 02:50
Re: kind request 462 Audrey 20-Mar-17 03:09
Re: kind request 249 Warwick 20-Mar-17 13:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 379 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 380 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 448 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 313 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 258 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 251 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 420 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 289 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 296 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 405 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 352 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 299 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 271 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 389 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 258 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 362 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 378 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 202 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 257 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 248 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 242 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 452 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 373 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 348 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 487 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 266 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 245 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 281 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 193 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 187 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 277 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 626 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 220 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 204 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 185 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 198 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 153 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 329 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 147 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 170 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 169 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 173 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 194 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 189 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 169 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 175 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 170 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 164 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 193 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 146 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 190 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 163 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 162 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 166 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 168 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 177 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 152 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 167 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 185 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 157 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 178 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 184 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 179 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 174 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 207 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 196 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 165 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 172 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 197 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 167 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 177 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 175 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 166 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 170 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 173 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 179 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 111 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 173 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 171 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 189 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 191 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 145 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 145 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 174 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 199 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 183 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 182 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 171 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 186 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 189 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 156 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 176 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 188 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 180 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 197 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 206 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 163 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 294 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
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