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Origyptian Wrote:
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> What's funny is that I did look at all
> nine
entries in his
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/search.php?1,
> search=binder+paint,author=martin+stower,page=1,ma
> tch_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL,match_t
> hreads=0]2nd link[/url]. A waste of time since
> other than him stating his personal opinion in
> each post of that search listing, there were only
> 2 relevant citations that he could have quickly
> cited in his reply instead of sending us on a
> silly goose chase to wade through all the chaff.

I looked at his two links, started to read through them and quickly came to same conclusions you did, pretty much. I didn't have all day to read the threads and try to figure out why he linked them. He could have linked directly to a particular post, but he must figure we've all got nothing better to do than hunt for clues to his point. I'm surprised you read them as much as you did, you've more patience than I. I didn't find the threads particularly informative. Most of us try to have consideration for others by linking to the exact page in a book, giving a page number, or quoting the relevant text. We don't just say - here, read this book because I say so. And then get pricky when someone brings up something else in a reference that wasn't what we intended them to find. If he has a point to make, it's up to him to explain why he's using a particular reference. I think it very inconsiderate.

> There was
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,34
> 3419,343457#msg-343457]one post[/url] that
> included a few additional links to other
> citations, one of them about the
> [url=http://www.saharajournal.com/pages/press.html
> #ochre%3E]Khufu/Djedefre ochre quarry[/url] which,
> if anything, [i][u]confirms[/u][/i] the use of
> binders during Khufu/Djedefre, [i]"...red ochre
> from these quarries 'can be used for artistic and
> decorative purposes, for colouring plasters with
> many binders, such as water, oils and various
> resins'".[/i]
>
> [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread102
> 4757/pg3#pid18236050]Another entry[/url] in that
> search link looks like a reiteration of Frank D's
> 2002 post about the Lucas & Harris monograph
> claiming that 4D tempura painting didn't use
> binders. However, in Stower's link to the newer
> 2014 post at ATS, it's acknowledged that binders
> were indeed used in the 4th dynasty:
> [i]"...tempura painting involves organic matter,
> but this is reserved for the intricate paintings
> associated with tombs..."[/i] I'd like to know how
> many mason's marks in royal tombs were actually
> tested.

I would bet none were tested. Egyptologists are not fond of testing.

> The authors say, [i]"For the mason marks
> of Khufu's era, they were likely red iron oxide
> (called by some texts red haematite), and red
> ocherous clays (some mixed with manganese in the
> 4th Dynasty)."[/i] Whoever want to take that a
> face value, be my guest. I see no mention
> specifically that mason marks do not contain
> organic binder.
>
> His characterization of "cherry-picking" is bogus.
> Even if
> [url=https://www.britishmuseum.org/pdf/TRB2007_Amb
> ers.pdf]Ambers[/url] is the only report that
> describes such use of binders during Sneferu's
> reign, the report is there, and it's published by
> the British Museum.

"Cherry-picking" seems to be a way of saying - you didn't post what I think you should have. We go with the references we can find. If he has something other than Ambers, it's up to him to post it. Some of us appreciate when other sources are given, with a specific purpose. I did a brief search some time ago when the paint was being discussed, and it seemed to me the general consensus was that binders were used, specifically egg. But we'll never know about the paint in the chambers until chemical analysis is done. Which Egyptology doesn't need, because they think they have all the facts and science will not add anything to their facts.

It is curious how one could think they know the intentions of the painters. Especially when one knows nothing of paint, brushes or technique.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Orthos Hypocrisy 1964 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 325 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 338 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 337 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 293 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 293 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 345 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 265 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 248 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 333 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 325 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 265 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 235 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 269 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 318 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 340 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 274 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 266 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 293 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:10
And therein lies the end to the conversation. 258 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:19
Pz runs home to maat 301 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 285 Vladislaw 19-Mar-02 23:35
One Overlooked Consideration... 312 ARTiFact 20-Mar-02 00:57
Re: One Overlooked Consideration... 361 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 03:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 267 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 262 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 272 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 317 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 257 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 255 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 261 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:29
Give us paint testing 268 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Give us paint testing 300 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Give us paint testing 285 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Give us paint testing 255 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Give us paint testing 267 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Give us paint testing 314 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 23:10
Re: Give us paint testing 257 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Give us paint testing 323 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:36
Re: Give us paint testing 253 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 280 Frank D 21-Mar-02 10:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 382 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 343 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 270 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Frank D 22-Mar-02 10:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 393 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 04:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 438 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 10:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 300 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 418 Audrey 19-Mar-17 17:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 388 Warwick 19-Mar-17 17:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 319 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 422 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 402 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 288 Warwick 19-Mar-17 19:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 306 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 391 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 412 Audrey 19-Mar-17 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 291 Warwick 19-Mar-17 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 392 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 346 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 405 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 360 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 311 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 371 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 250 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 352 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 334 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 396 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 275 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 284 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 390 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:36
kind request 428 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 01:48
Re: kind request 403 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:26
Re: kind request 370 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:42
Re: kind request 302 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 02:58
Re: kind request 354 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 03:16
Re: kind request 324 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 314 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 10:39
Re: kind request 291 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 03:38
Re: kind request 282 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:43
Re: kind request 265 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 04:12
Re: kind request 289 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 06:22
Effects of contamination on RCD 333 Merrell 20-Mar-17 09:29
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 384 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:17
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 293 Merrell 20-Mar-17 13:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 271 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 275 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 14:46
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 305 Merrell 20-Mar-17 15:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 298 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 15:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 263 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 200 Warwick 20-Mar-17 17:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 251 Merrell 20-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 369 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 258 Warwick 20-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 324 Merrell 20-Mar-17 20:26
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 346 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 20:51
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 355 Audrey 21-Mar-17 02:16
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 238 Warwick 21-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 271 Audrey 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 253 cladking 21-Mar-17 02:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 352 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 246 cladking 21-Mar-17 03:57
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 228 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:18
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 318 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 10:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 247 cladking 21-Mar-17 22:15
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 295 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:13
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 288 cladking 22-Mar-17 00:52
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 316 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:59
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 259 Audrey 22-Mar-17 03:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 335 Jon Ellison 22-Mar-17 12:09
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 383 Origyptian 22-Mar-17 13:48
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 389 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 00:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 314 cladking 22-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 488 Thunderbird 21-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 276 Warwick 21-Mar-17 03:32
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 368 Origyptian 21-Mar-17 03:45
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 254 Corpuscles 21-Mar-17 04:00
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 287 Warwick 21-Mar-17 04:22
Re: Effects on the mind : ) 303 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 303 Martin Stower 21-Mar-17 09:47
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 358 Audrey 22-Mar-17 00:08
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 288 Martin Stower 22-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 258 Audrey 23-Mar-17 04:14
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 281 Martin Stower 23-Mar-17 12:03
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 299 Audrey 24-Mar-17 00:35
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 252 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 292 Audrey 24-Mar-17 01:02
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 252 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 343 Audrey 24-Mar-17 04:42
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 311 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 14:12
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 296 Origyptian 24-Mar-17 14:43
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 436 Martin Stower 24-Mar-17 15:24
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 584 Audrey 25-Mar-17 02:36
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 280 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 13:49
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 257 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 13:56
Re: Effects of contamination on RCD 277 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 14:23
Re: kind request 277 Corpuscles 20-Mar-17 02:53
Re: kind request 277 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 03:19
Re: kind request 348 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 02:50
Re: kind request 418 Audrey 20-Mar-17 03:09
Re: kind request 216 Warwick 20-Mar-17 13:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 335 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 20:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 258 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 241 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 352 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 403 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 277 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 233 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 226 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 374 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 17:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 279 Audrey 19-Mar-17 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 253 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 20:12
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 251 Audrey 19-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 21:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 365 Audrey 19-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 315 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 244 Audrey 19-Mar-17 23:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 237 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 350 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 222 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 325 Audrey 20-Mar-17 01:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 239 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 323 Origyptian 19-Mar-17 21:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 339 Audrey 19-Mar-17 22:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 100 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 179 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 222 Merrell 19-Jun-17 13:23
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 227 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 13:31
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 110 Warwick 19-Jun-17 16:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 235 Thanos5150 19-Jun-17 19:05
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 97 Warwick 20-Jun-17 17:13
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 202 Origyptian 20-Jun-17 18:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Warwick 20-Jun-17 19:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 406 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 00:34
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 328 Origyptian 20-Mar-17 00:44
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 227 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 234 Audrey 20-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 307 Martin Stower 20-Mar-17 01:28
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 448 Warwick 20-Mar-17 14:20
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 352 Martin Stower 19-Mar-17 19:47
The Medium 230 Warwick 19-Mar-17 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 214 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 259 Frank D 22-Mar-02 01:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 225 Harry 22-Mar-02 01:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 117 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:32
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:48
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 238 Frank D 22-Mar-02 16:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 591 gulsbo 20-Jun-17 20:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 146 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 183 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:51
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Tommi Huhtamaki 19-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 158 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:25
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:33
Here, I highly doubt you'll bother... 288 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 12:31
Totally unconvincing 111 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:38
Re: Totally unconvincing 135 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:53
Re: Totally unconvincing 141 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:15
Re: Totally unconvincing 136 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:18
Re: Totally unconvincing 152 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Totally unconvincing 153 Harry 20-Mar-02 18:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 13:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 131 Harry 21-Mar-02 14:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 HectorChico 21-Mar-02 14:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Mercury Rapids 19-Mar-02 19:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:38
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 127 Harry 19-Mar-02 17:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 124 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 123 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:21
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:39
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 132 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:45
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:55
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 133 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 151 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 159 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:14
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 136 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:50
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 131 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:54
Ortho admits defeat 112 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:56
Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 147 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 20:00
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 125 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:05
Re: Believe it if it makes you feel better. N/T 127 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:22
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 147 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Mar-02 19:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 131 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 143 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 01:57
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 17:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 140 Milo 19-Mar-02 17:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:01
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 113 Milo 19-Mar-02 18:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 112 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 132 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:08
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 132 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:29
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 150 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:40
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 141 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:47
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 138 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 121 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:59
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:02
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 127 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:09
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 122 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:33
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 149 lobo-hotei 19-Mar-02 19:43
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 137 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 19:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 117 Harry 19-Mar-02 19:49
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 125 Harry 19-Mar-02 18:00
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 126 Ian Alex Blease 19-Mar-02 18:34
KHUFU -- HWFW -- "Holy Ancient One" 165 ARTiFact 19-Mar-02 21:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 155 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 02:35
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 136 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 16:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 131 Harry 20-Mar-02 17:54
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 128 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 18:17
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 120 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:56
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 110 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:48
Ian's Hypocrisy 158 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:38
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 112 Martin Stower 21-Mar-02 16:49
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 126 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:08
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:19
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 137 Ian Alex Blease 22-Mar-02 16:36
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 141 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:17
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 147 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Ian's Hypocrisy 136 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 20:18
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 77 Harry 22-Mar-02 00:26
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 109 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:30
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Ian Alex Blease 21-Mar-02 20:05
Ian's Hypocrisy Revisited 147 Martin Stower 22-Mar-02 02:36
Ian admits his intellectual bankruptcy. 152 Martin Stower 20-Mar-02 22:58
Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 152 R Avry Wilson 20-Mar-02 06:22
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 119 opti-mystic 20-Mar-02 07:59
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 108 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 134 Harry 20-Mar-02 11:42
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 156 Vladislaw 20-Mar-02 14:46
Re: Peter... a few comments? Ian, you too. 148 Harry 20-Mar-02 14:52
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 144 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 19:46
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 142 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:03
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:04
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 145 Harry 20-Mar-02 20:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 162 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 114 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 20:58
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 135 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:06
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 132 Paul Mallon 20-Mar-02 21:07
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 148 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:11
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 160 Pete Vanderzwet 20-Mar-02 21:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 139 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 21:27
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Paul Mallon 21-Mar-02 09:16
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 161 Harry 21-Mar-02 12:41
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 134 Ian Alex Blease 20-Mar-02 20:37
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 260 Warwick 18-Jun-17 18:24
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 359 Merrell 18-Jun-17 21:53
Re: Orthos Hypocrisy 228 Warwick 19-Jun-17 05:48


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