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Jon Ellison wrote:

> Is it because he has the audacity to disagree with you.?????

How many times have I said this is not the case? 5-10 times in the last week or so alone? For you or others to say this again means either you have not read any of the posts or are being willfully dishonest to represent this situation, erroneously my character, as something it is not for no other reason than to alleviate responsibility towards Origyptian, and by extension yourself. Which is it Jon-are you uninformed, lying, or both?

> Would you prefer that all posters agree with your viewpoint???

You mean like Origyptian? Or Archae? You know full well I would not and to accuse me of such is absurd and dishonest. As you know as well, unlike some here I have no wares to peddle or belief system to pontificate for the benefit of my own ego. Whip me, beat me, call me Edna, but I am here in search of the real no matter where it leads. If I am wrong I want to know it, and why, as what is the point of deluding myself at the expense of the truth anyways? Isn't that what religion is for?

If Mons C had a whiff of being made by an earlier civilization I would be the first to stand up for it and quite frankly could argue the case as good or better than most. But the evidence is not there, if only clearly to the contrary. And I for one am certainly not going to twist, manipulate, and obfuscate the minutia of every little morsel to make it so by way of some self-servingly manufactured "reasonable doubt" regardless of the preponderance of the evidence that says otherwise for no other purpose than to maintain my own self-absorbed belief system at all costs. Which for me doesn't even exist in the first place. Can you honestly say the same about the two of you? Or I guess just Origyptian as you are capable of little more than acting as his translucent star-crossed proxy anyways.

As hard as it is for you to understand, repeatedly peddling pretense couched in canned rhetoric to win arguments to maintain a belief system is inherently hostile and offensive behavior. Not to mention dishonest. And all the while it is done from a position of total ignorance of whom you two rely on others to educate you then have the same gall to argue with them about it from the same position of ignorance then ask for more. On and on it goes until the other participants are exhausted and move on or the conversation devolves into whitless fear mongering towards those who take exception to this behavior. Bravo. Saying it with a smile doesn't change the intent, so no one is fooling anyone here. And as you can imagine, I am not smiling.

> Do you have a problem with those that disagree with you on a
> discussion forum???

You know I don't and that is clearly not the point. As we have learned here time and again, just saying the same falsehood over and over does not make it so. If you guys need to keep making things up about me to paint me in a less favorable light to take the glare off your own inequities you are only proving my point for me. Playing the hapless victims of your imaginary "tyranny of Thanos" to garner the sympathy of others to rally to your cause in a veiled attempt to shift the focus away from your own deficiencies on to those you conjure up of others fools even only the fool so long. Its the smell that eventually gives it away.

Disagreement is part of the reason to be here. Differing opinions force me to look at my own and reevaluate them in light of new information or a different perspective I had not yet considered. If I am wrong or my logic is flawed and someone corrects me or shows me a better perspective I am thankful for it because why on Earth would I want to keep deluding myself or wallow in my own ignorance just to keep my own beliefs intact? And also, understanding the arguments against your opinions only helps to understand them even better and if made stronger or weaker as a result it should be welcomed, not ignored.

> You are totally blameless.

I am not forcing you two to behave this way, so yes, I agree. And I will not apologize for taking exception to such willful intellectual dishonesty either. Lie to your spouse, your taxman, your preacher-whatever. This is human nature which no one is immune. Just don't lie about or obfuscate the facts or context to defend your opinions or win an argument at the expense of the intellectual integrity and effort of others. Made only worse by the fact more often than not you really have no idea what you are talking about and are relying on others to educate you just so you can argue with them. Sorry, but I just do not comprehend this. This is not "open-mindedness"- its zealotry.

> You have no control whatsoever over
> others posts and opinions.

Actually I do. Its acquired voluntarily by way of the honesty, integrity, erudition, and humility in which I present information and ideas in conjunction with taking responsibility for my actions when I am in the wrong. The same opportunity afforded to anyone else. Maybe this can't compete for some with the less intellectually strenuous siren song of rhetoric, pretense, and the empty promise of more fantastical realms in lieu of the mundane of the real, but I will stay the course nonetheless.

> You may like to have control over the publication of others
> opinions, but you don't, get over it.

You say this yet again you know it is clearly not the truth. Ignorance and stupidity are one thing, I am guilty of both myself at times, my wife would say a lot, but personally I really loathe intellectual dishonesty in an attempt to impose or obscure one belief system over another. History, social mores, religion-whatever. Made only worse by those who argue these beliefs from a position of willful ignorance or hubris and greed. If this is a fatal flaw in my character so be it. I make no apologies.

With that being said, it is clear we are all sick of talking about the inequity of the few. So out of fear of losing any more of my self-respect for being involved in such vapid repartee yet again, but more importantly out of respect for my fellow posters who wish it to end, I hear you, it is time to move on. I have no doubt at this point those that get the truths being spoken of here do, and those that don't never will and no amount of belaboring will change this.

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Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 871 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-15 20:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 363 Thanos5150 25-Jun-15 23:19
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 383 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 01:22
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 457 Audrey 26-Jun-15 02:00
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 394 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 02:52
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 394 MJT 26-Jun-15 17:34
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 377 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 17:57
Re: Mons Claudianus Tools 441 MJT 26-Jun-15 19:22
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 376 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 04:04
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 365 Audrey 26-Jun-15 05:18
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 370 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-15 10:24
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 396 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 15:26
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 373 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 381 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 06:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 310 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 14:50
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 351 Audrey 27-Jun-15 02:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 331 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 04:49
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 376 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 02:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 381 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 07:06
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 370 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 15:06
Example 396 DScribr 26-Jun-15 18:05
Re: Example 331 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:04
Re: Example 327 cladking 26-Jun-15 19:21
Re: Example 347 Brian Patterson 26-Jun-15 19:32
Re: Example 412 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 19:43
Re: Example 352 DScribr 26-Jun-15 22:36
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 328 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 20:24
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 368 Origyptian 26-Jun-15 21:42
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 374 Corpuscles 27-Jun-15 00:19
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 355 Audrey 27-Jun-15 02:26
Same old same old..... 403 DScribr 26-Jun-15 22:48
Re: Same old same old..... 407 Thanos5150 27-Jun-15 05:16
Re: Same old same old..... 368 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 16:08
Re: Same old same old..... 383 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 21:18
Re: Same old same old..... 338 Corpuscles 28-Jun-15 00:10
Re: Same old same old..... 314 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 01:25
Re: Same old same old..... 389 Corpuscles 28-Jun-15 02:52
Re: Same old same old..... 361 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 01:35
Re: Same old same old..... 385 Audrey 28-Jun-15 00:47
Re: Same old same old..... 414 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 02:56
Re: Same old same old..... 358 Merrell 28-Jun-15 13:20
Only One World of True Believers? 358 cladking 28-Jun-15 15:23
Re: Same old same old..... 333 Thanos5150 28-Jun-15 03:27
Re: Same old same old..... 440 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 11:00
Re: Same old same old..... 330 Thanos5150 28-Jun-15 16:53
Re: Same old same old..... 381 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 17:25
Re: Same old same old..... 345 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 18:14
Why change??? 333 DScribr 30-Jun-15 22:19
Re: Why change??? 321 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-15 22:52
Re: Why change??? 368 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 04:27
Re: Why change??? 394 Corpuscles 01-Jul-15 06:11
Re: Why change??? 323 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 13:41
Re: Why change??? 331 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 14:08
Re: Why change??? 405 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 15:33
Re: Why change??? 333 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 15:38
Re: Why change??? 390 Jon Ellison 01-Jul-15 16:03
Re: Why change??? 382 Origyptian 01-Jul-15 16:21
Re: Why care about the facts??? 335 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:59
Re: Why care about the facts??? 353 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 20:13
Re: Why care about the facts??? 366 Jon Ellison 02-Jul-15 20:52
Mod Warning > Jon Ellison 373 lukehancock 03-Jul-15 11:20
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 398 DScribr 06-Jul-15 18:17
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 333 Corpuscles 07-Jul-15 02:26
Re: Why should 'we' care about the facts??? 362 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 03:26
Willful ignorance 421 DScribr 07-Jul-15 18:02
Re: Why care about the facts??? 383 Jon Ellison 02-Jul-15 22:49
Re: NO change of facts 346 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:54
Re: NO change of facts 372 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 21:55
Re: Why change??? 306 DScribr 02-Jul-15 19:52
Re: Why change??? 396 Origyptian 02-Jul-15 21:54
"Seems to be..." 335 DScribr 06-Jul-15 18:06
Re: "Seems to be..." 328 Origyptian 06-Jul-15 19:03
Re: "Seems to be..." 262 DScribr 07-Jul-15 17:48
Re: "Seems to be..." 365 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 18:19
Re: "Seems to be..." 344 DScribr 07-Jul-15 18:31
Re: "Seems to be..." 365 Origyptian 07-Jul-15 18:35
Re: "Seems to be..." 345 Jon Ellison 07-Jul-15 20:27
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 367 DScribr 08-Jul-15 17:49
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 315 Origyptian 08-Jul-15 17:55
It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 335 DScribr 08-Jul-15 22:49
Re: It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 394 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 00:32
Re: It IS a Dbl-standard!!! 392 Origyptian 09-Jul-15 05:55
Same nonsense-different day... 380 DScribr 09-Jul-15 18:13
Re: Same nonsense-different day... 361 Origyptian 09-Jul-15 18:45
Re: Same nonsense-different day... 352 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 19:21
Re: Same nonsense-different day....A MUST READ for all Ori "Fans." 343 DScribr 10-Jul-15 19:29
Re: Same nonsense-different day....A MUST READ for all Ori "Fans." 447 Origyptian 10-Jul-15 21:02
Selective memory loss 458 DScribr 10-Jul-15 22:49
Re: Seems to be a Dbl-standard 344 Jon Ellison 09-Jul-15 01:09
English Lesson 369 randompHactor 27-Jun-15 15:46
Re: English Lesson 368 Thanos5150 27-Jun-15 16:33
Re: English Lesson 397 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 16:55
Re: English Lesson 409 Origyptian 27-Jun-15 20:25
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 375 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 04:31
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 291 Audrey 26-Jun-15 05:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 305 Corpuscles 26-Jun-15 06:43
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 297 Audrey 27-Jun-15 01:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 357 Corpuscles 27-Jun-15 01:56
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 367 Thanos5150 26-Jun-15 17:00
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 462 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 18:58
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 328 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 20:05
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 361 Origyptian 29-Jun-15 13:39
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 360 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-15 14:11
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 366 Audrey 30-Jun-15 03:01
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 365 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-15 13:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 352 DUNE 27-Jun-15 17:01
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 368 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 17:10
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 367 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-15 18:12
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 324 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-15 18:37
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 361 cladking 27-Jun-15 18:47
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 319 Ulrich 28-Jun-15 15:06
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 345 Origyptian 28-Jun-15 15:30
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 334 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 16:33
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 305 Audrey 28-Jun-15 17:39
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 332 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 18:23
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 378 Ulrich 29-Jun-15 19:20
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 379 Audrey 30-Jun-15 01:26
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 315 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 02:28
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 400 Origyptian 30-Jun-15 03:48
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 362 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 15:53
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 432 Ulrich 30-Jun-15 21:03
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 466 Thanos5150 30-Jun-15 04:12
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 336 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-15 19:11
Re: Giza Pyramids: Order of Construction part 2 365 Thanos5150 29-Jun-15 21:25


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