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Audrey wrote:

> Thanos5150 wrote:
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> >
> > Archaeology and Philology on Mons Claudianus 1987-1993 (p723-725 in particular.)
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> Seven paragraphs later :
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> The disparity between the dates known from the ostraca and the dates we must
> necessarily assume from the use of the stone, need not worry us overmuch.

> The disparity between the dates known from the ostraca and the dates we must
> necessarily assume from the use of the stone, need not worry us overmuch.
> From what I read, the identification of MC columns in various
> buildings was done by one man alone, I think it was Peacock.
> I'm guessing no one has double checked him.
>
> I'm not arguing for or against this issue. I'm just sayin

Also on page 725:
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An undated, but clearly Trajanic, text gives the list of those entitled to water on a given day. It includes both workers and soldiers, horses, donkeys, even a passing postman, so it has every possibility of being exhaustive.
Since the ostraca's coverage of life back then is considered to have been so exhaustive, you'd think it'd be easy to find specific references to their primary purpose for being there. It's hard to believe how difficult it is to find any specific reference (in the ostraca) to the actual act of quarrying those huge objects.

The ostraca doesn't actually say there were 110 quarry workers there in MC's heyday. Rather, it says there were 913 total, including families and support workers, and Bulow-Jacobsen calculates the number of skilled workers based on what the ostraca states was the tool distribution. Using that method, Bulow- calculated that already as early as 140 AD, the population of MC dropped to 350, which is one third was it was 50 years earlier. The place apparently was already winding down from the beginning of the 2nd century AD.

Bulow- claims that early in the 2nd century, there may have been a "break in occupation" for a few years followed by a relatively small scale operation that apparently occupied a small fraction of what had already become an oversized "fort", and couldn't even prevent "squatters" from occupying much of it and turning it into slums.

Despite the over 100 years of "occupation" at MC, there seems to be only a narrow window, perhaps a few decades, during which the vast majority of stone objects were shipped to construction projects elsewhere in the world.

I interpreted Bulow-'s "not worry us" comment as confronting the contradiction that the ostraca suggests that the site wasn't in operation long enough to produce all the stonework attributed to it.



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