> Jon Ellison Wrote:
> > Are you really trying to say that this box,
> > you attribute to second dynasty manufacture,
> > its precision cut internal corners is in anyway
> > inferior to a typical 4th dynasty box?
> Where did I say this?
> > What exactly are you looking at?
> > It seems that the earlier dynasties had the
> > of the box crop.
> Uhhh... so they picked the wood ones and not even
> one of the magical granite ones? In fact, Early
> Dynastic Egyptians didn't claim any of the lost
> civilization stone structures or large cut and
> dressed stone objects for themselves almost as if
> they had no clue they were even there. How weird.
> But yeah, if they were all supposedly squatters
> since the beginning of Dynastic Egypt this little
> chestnut is quite telling to the contrary so I
> guess you answered your own question.
> > Now let's take a look at "context".
> > Is the precision of the box equalled in any way
> > the level of craftsmanship demonstrated in the
> > internal walls of the tomb?
> First you need to know what the "context" actually
> is, a minor detail for fresh thickers to be sure.
> It's a rock cut tomb typical of the day which in
> the 2nd Dynasty (and earlier) they did not sheath
> in stone, often not even mudbrick, nor did they
> decorate the walls. Decoration for Early Dynastic
> tombs were limited to stele, or nothing, and it is
> not until the beginnings of the 3rd Dynasty
> decorated walls are seen, in wood panels no less,
> like the Mastaba of Hesy-Re (Djoser's reign):
> There are reports of early tomb explorers/looters
> using these panels as firewood which were later
> identified belonging to an an earlier
> archeological context so it is possible this
> practice of wood panel decoration began sometime
> in the 2nd Dynasty. Also very interesting, to some
> I assume, is the mastaba of Hesy-Re also contains
> the 1st known example of the false door motif.
> Combine that with the sudden appearance of
> monumental stonework and the plot indeed thickens.
> > I don't think so.
> Because you once again have no idea what you are
> talking about.
> > Where is the supporting industrial
> > infrastructure?
> For wood working?
> > Where are the precision chisels?
> > Where are the precision measuring instruments?
> > Where is there anywhere a demonstration of the
> > technological wherewithal, even at the most
> > level required to come anywhere even close to
> > producing such a thing?
> So if I don't tell you, which is obviously a waste
> of time anyways, then such answers do not exist?
> Do you not ever look or is it more convincing for
> an argument against something just to wallow in
> the authority of one's own ignorance? That's a
> rhetorical question.
> Here, let me get you
> ood/egypt_wood.pdf]Egyptian Woodworking and
> [quote]One of the major discoveries Emery made was
> an enormous cache of saws and other woodworking
> tools in Tomb 3471. He dated them to the reign of
> Djer, who ruled during the First Dynasty.[/quote]
> And for the pedantic, which no doubt will follow,
> this is but a primer of the subject and not the
> end all be all so if one really has an interest
> they of course need to, *gasp*, make a little
> effort on their own. My patience and time has its
> limits and if not for the hope at least some
> reader out there might get something of value out
> of my posts I certainly would not even waste my
> time with your ilk. Speaking of which, I recommend
> Walter B Emery's [i]Archaic Egypt[/i] which has
> numerous examples and commentary of early Dynastic
> carpentry and tools not to mention early Dynastic
> AE culture in general. Probably the best book I
> have ever read on the subject of Early Dynastic
> Egypt in general. In it, among many other things,
> he pictures a 1st Dynasty carpenter's copper
> "precision" chisel set little different than one
> would buy at Home Depot.
> Regardless, you have unwittingly only highlighted
> the point I was making by comparing the two as we
> have an earlier 2nd Dynasty sarcophagus made of
> wood, which by your own estimation is as equally
> complex to make as the granite one, in principle
> made by the same tools, [i]which the only
> difference would be the material the tool was made
> of.[/i] Eureka! And lo and behold it is the
> beginning of the 3rd Dynasty that not only do
> stone sarcophagi magically appear, similar to
> their earlier wood predecessors, but right in step
> also the sudden rise of monumental stone
> architecture, fluted stone columns, the false door
> motif, and even the pyramid. Hmmm. Now where might
> such things have come from? While the 3rd Dynasty
> is a reassertion of the unified Dynastic state it
> also heralds the beginning of the end of
> construction using palace facade style of
> architecture. Hmm. What changed? Is this the time
> when all of a sudden the AE after several hundred
> years discovered the monumental works of this tens
> of thousands of years old lost civilization or was
> it something else?
Great post! Well said.
Esp this, "...My patience and time has its limits and if not for the hope at least some reader out there might get something of value out of my posts I certainly would not even waste my time with your ilk...."
Some of us do get value from your posts.
Campbell's Chamber roof blocks are Tura Limestone until proven otherwise.
THE Cartouche in Campbell's Chamber IS Authentic, as are ALL other RC's Glyphs, until proven otherwise.
"This Forgery 'theory' has more holes than a sieve basket."