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Hi Scott,

Scott Creighton wrote:

> SC: The stone box, however, is physical evidence of
> what? There are different cultural contexts evidenced in
> ancient Egypt for stone boxes.

To play the devil's advocate, what cultural context exists in the OK or before of any other use of these stone boxes other than as sarcophagi? You claim they were "Osiris beds", or "Osiris bricks" as they are also called, but there is no evidence this was the case as Osiris bricks were a Late Period Theban cultural milieu which may at best had roots in late Middle Kingdom tradition. You cite a possible precursor to this found as early as the 2nd Dynasty but there is nothing in between to corroborate this nor that "stone boxes" were ever used for this purpose at any time in the OK let alone before or after.

I believe what was found in the 2nd Dynasty was something like this was it not:


Not this:


Please correct me if I am wrong, but all of the Osiris beds ever found you claim resemble these "stone boxes" were tiny by comparison averaging less than 10" x 5" x 3 " and did not have lids. Has one example ever been found the size of a stone box like those in the pyramids let alone found in the OK or earlier? I know of none.

I am not arguing whether pyramids were built as tombs or not, which personally I do not believe they were, but I find no merit in your belief the purpose of these boxes were as "Osiris beds" nor that pyramids were built as "recovery vaults" if only to the contrary. You have taken a Late Period Theban cultural phenomenon and imposed it on stone boxes made nearly 2,000yrs before with nothing to show for it in between or prior. It is ironic to me that one of the reasons cited, and a valid one, that pyramids were not built as tombs is because a few of the sarcophagi opened in modern times known to have been sealed since they were originally placed did not contain bodies yet by the same token they did not contain Osiris beds either.

On balance, respectfully, it is reasonable to reject the idea they were ever intended to be used as Osiris beds. But you said there were "different cultural contexts" stone boxes like these were used, implying others than your Osiris bed belief. I am curious what those would be? Where is one example you can cite that dates to the OK or before that has a stone box with lid known to have been used for another purpose than interring a body? I am not saying this is what the function of the pyramid stone boxes were, but am just looking for any evidence that they are known to have been used for something else as you are suggesting.



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