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MGrant wrote:

> If we were created by a supreme being, then that supreme being
> should be able to fully address our uncertainties that arise
> from confrontations between 'religion' and 'science'.

Q1: What is meant by "supreme" in this context?

Q2: Why would such a "being" (vs. entity, force, etc.) necessarily need to address any of our own uncertainties?


> I think that one of the most noble spiritual traits is to be
> able to acknowledge uncertainty.

I agree that the acknowledgement of uncertainty is a noble attribute, but I wouldn't call it "spiritual". I call it "reasonable". When I first entered graduate school (mhlmlfhmf years ago), my department chairman gathered the starting class into his office and told us "Having a Ph.D. doesn't mean you're supposed to know everything. Rather, having a Ph.D. means being able to say I don't know...but then you goddam better know how to find the answer!". Obviously, that's pretty simplistic since a true scientist knows full well that the warm 3-pound bag of water, fat, and protein sitting between our ears has some pretty stark limitations regarding what can be perceived and believed.


> I'm a believer type, but I think that puts me in the same camp
> as a lot of self-professed atheists and agnostics that I know,
> and in very different footing than a lot of 'religious' types.

And that should have no bearing on the "truth".


> I don't see an inherently adversarial relation between religion
> and science, nor do I care to assume the burden of supporting
> one 'versus' the other.

Any adversarial relation between the two is abstract, contrived, and irrelevant. It is conjured up by ideologues, but it has no bearing on reality as we experience it.

There is absolutely no reason that the concept of "God" should in any way conflict with the concept of "Evolution" except to the extent that narrow minds go out of their way to contrive a conflicting distinction to serve their own insecurities and agenda.

Many studies conducted over many years have shown that biological scientists are among the most religious people on planet Earth BECUASE they realize that only something like "God" -- way beyond our ability to comprehend it -- could create such a complex masterpiece as life and the universe.

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Evolution in the present or near present? 501 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 04:36
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 233 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 04:59
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 287 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 05:54
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 280 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 05:59
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 292 Aine 10-Dec-14 13:52
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 227 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 15:09
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 265 Aine 10-Dec-14 15:15
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 294 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 16:00
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 261 Aine 10-Dec-14 16:18
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 247 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 17:09
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 259 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:17
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 237 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 17:45
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 254 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 16:19
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 252 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 19:39
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 258 Origyptian 11-Dec-14 20:16
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 257 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 20:35
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 252 Origyptian 11-Dec-14 20:49
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 307 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 21:12
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 238 Aine 11-Dec-14 22:08
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 296 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 23:28
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 275 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 05:32
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 311 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 05:51
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 225 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 06:00
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 267 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 06:07
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 276 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 15:41
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 253 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 16:45
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 315 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 17:01
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 246 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 17:26
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 294 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 17:40
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 250 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 17:52
Playing the 'your mother' card. 294 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:34
Re: Playing the 'petty guilt trip' card. 284 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 18:44
Re: Playing the 'petty guilt trip' card. 262 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 05:10
The End 227 Sirius7237 11-Dec-14 05:47
"The End" says who? 279 PB Bytes 12-Dec-14 05:09
When you put words in my mouth.... 260 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 18:03
Re: When you put words in my mouth.... 254 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:12
Re: When you put words in my mouth.... 308 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 18:19
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 179 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 17:53
Remeber this? 256 Sirius7237 10-Dec-14 17:39
Just to Clear the Air 254 Sirius7237 11-Dec-14 07:57
Re: Just to Clear the Air 296 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 13:29
Re: Just to Clear the Air 215 Aine 11-Dec-14 14:26
Re: Just to Clear the Air 274 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 15:14
Re: Just to Clear the Air 254 Aine 11-Dec-14 15:39
Re: Just to Clear the Air 249 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 16:06
Re: Just to Clear the Air 339 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 17:00
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 231 drrayeye 10-Dec-14 09:14
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 266 Aine 10-Dec-14 13:59
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 291 drrayeye 10-Dec-14 15:17
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 281 Aine 10-Dec-14 15:19
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 294 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 15:46
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 331 drrayeye 10-Dec-14 17:47
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 269 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:15
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 230 laughin 11-Dec-14 17:55
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 306 drrayeye 12-Dec-14 08:29
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 312 laughin 10-Dec-14 15:52
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 244 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 16:04
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 270 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 16:12
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 221 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 18:06
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 198 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:30
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 230 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 19:57
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 247 Aine 10-Dec-14 16:30
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 342 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 16:40
Accelerated evolution? 312 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 17:29
Re: Accelerated evolution? 245 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:55
Re: Accelerated evolution? 237 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:09
Re: Accelerated evolution? 253 Aine 10-Dec-14 18:17
Re: Accelerated evolution? 190 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:28
Re: Accelerated evolution? 254 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 19:03
Re: Accelerated evolution? 272 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:27
Re: Accelerated evolution? 232 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 19:46
Re: Accelerated evolution? 201 Aine 10-Dec-14 19:56
Re: Accelerated evolution? 212 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 20:29
Re: Accelerated evolution? 226 Aine 10-Dec-14 22:03
Re: Accelerated evolution? 240 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 23:17
Re: Accelerated evolution? 251 Aine 10-Dec-14 23:26
Re: Accelerated evolution? 198 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 23:46
Re: Accelerated evolution? 231 Aine 11-Dec-14 00:46
Re: Accelerated evolution? 268 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 20:03
Re: Accelerated evolution? 261 Aine 10-Dec-14 20:11
Re: Accelerated evolution? 236 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 06:49
Re: Accelerated evolution? 253 Aine 11-Dec-14 14:24
Re: Accelerated evolution? 269 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 15:07
Re: Accelerated evolution? 284 PB Bytes 11-Dec-14 19:40
Re: Accelerated evolution? 235 Aine 11-Dec-14 19:41
Re: Accelerated evolution? 301 Thanos5150 11-Dec-14 20:55
Re: Accelerated evolution? 286 Aine 11-Dec-14 22:05
Re: Accelerated evolution? 260 PB Bytes 12-Dec-14 03:23
Re: Accelerated evolution? 241 Aine 10-Dec-14 19:29
A funny thing, ain't it!? 241 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:36
Re: Accelerated evolution? 224 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 19:48
Re: Accelerated evolution? 181 PB Bytes 12-Dec-14 01:43
Re: Accelerated evolution? 240 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 19:09
Re: Accelerated evolution? 251 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:19
Re: Accelerated evolution? 223 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 19:21
Re: Accelerated evolution? 295 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:24
Re: Accelerated evolution? 249 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:45
Re: Accelerated evolution? 318 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 20:14
Re: Accelerated evolution? 200 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 19:31
Re: Accelerated evolution? 219 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 19:34
Speeding up or slowing down? 311 laughin 11-Dec-14 17:33
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 265 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 16:07
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 222 Aine 10-Dec-14 16:28
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 285 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 16:39
Species... 331 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 16:46
Re: Species... 148 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 16:49
Re: Species... 271 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:04
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 162 Skatha 10-Dec-14 17:00
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 278 Thanos5150 10-Dec-14 17:37
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 215 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:57
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 243 Thanos5150 10-Dec-14 18:38
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 268 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 18:42
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 267 Aine 10-Dec-14 18:46
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 263 drrayeye 10-Dec-14 19:27
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 290 Aine 10-Dec-14 19:34
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 192 Thanos5150 10-Dec-14 19:40
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 271 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 19:55
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 207 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 20:25
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 297 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 06:27
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 215 Thanos5150 10-Dec-14 23:01
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 243 Susan Doris 11-Dec-14 06:51
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 249 Thanos5150 10-Dec-14 19:28
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 243 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 18:58
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 302 Aine 10-Dec-14 19:53
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 258 Origyptian 10-Dec-14 20:24
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 341 Aine 10-Dec-14 22:00
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 253 Susan Doris 10-Dec-14 11:31
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 238 Aine 10-Dec-14 13:34
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 278 laughin 10-Dec-14 16:52
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 223 Aine 10-Dec-14 16:59
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 269 laughin 10-Dec-14 21:33
Re: Evolution in the present or near present? 273 Aine 10-Dec-14 15:33
Evolution is constantly going on 276 Skatha 10-Dec-14 17:03
Re: Evolution is constantly going on 266 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:07
Re: Evolution is constantly going on 306 PB Bytes 10-Dec-14 17:10
Re: Evolution is constantly going on 298 Aine 10-Dec-14 17:20
Epigenetics, neoteny, symbiosis 237 Nolondil 10-Dec-14 20:14
Re: Epigenetics, neoteny, symbiosis 262 Aine 10-Dec-14 22:05


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