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GR: Dots also appear in other drawings by Hill. On the North side of Lady Arbuthnot's Chamber Hill's drawing of the vertical Khnum-Khufu cartouche and surround shows at least 5 "dots". Scott your copy of this drawing is cropped so I don't know if other dots and random strokes are shown in Hill's original drawing. These dots show Hill was careful in noting spots he thought might be part of the design.

SC: Yes, I see those dots. But there is no photo of the original to assess whether these are actually just accidental paint drips on Hill's facsimile or if they do actually exist in the original. Until we can get a photo of the original, we will not know.

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GR: This can also be seen in Hill's drawing of the very cartouche under question. Not only are the 2 dots shown on Hill's drawing of the Khufu cartouche in Campbell's Chamber but 2 other spots of paint are shown under the chick's tail indicating to me that Hill was simply unsure if these were random spots or part of the design.

SC: There is absolutely no reason why Hill should consider these two dots to be any more part of the cartouche than any of the other random dots of paint. I can see why he may have thought the markings at the end of the chick's tail might be relevant since they could conceivably be an extension of the tail. But these two dots are entirely isolated and as random as all the other dots. It simply makes no sense for Hill AND Vyse to both conclude that the same two dots were relevant to the cartouche but that all the others were just random spots of paint. If all the others are just random spots of paint, what is there about these two paint spots that made Vyse and Hill think they alone were part of the design?

Isn't the simpler answer that this drawing was copied INTO Campbell's Chamber (by Hill) having been found elsewhere with two markings under the snake glyph? Because there are no other dots on this 'master' Vyse and Hill assume the two dots are part of the king's name. However, as the weeks went by and having been exposed to further examples of the Khufu cartouche (from Tomb of the Trades), Vyse realises that the two dots are not, in fact, part of the king's name. He had two options--he could remove the two dots by chipping them away or he could 'mask' the mistake by placing additional random paint spots inside the cartouche. He opted to add further random spots of paint. The other option is that these random dots (with the exception of the two drawn by Vyse & Hill) were already on the block before they copied the cartouche (with the two dots under the snake glyph) onto the gabled trussing.

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GR: Look also at Hill's drawing of the West end of Wellington's Chamber where many red dots and strokes are included in the drawing.

SC: I don't see those a random spots of paint but rather the replication of a drawing where the lines are very 'sketchy' or 'broken up'. Again though, it would be ideal to have a photo of the original in order to compare.

SC



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