> Thanos5150 wrote:
> Perhaps you’d like first to explain how careful examination of
> evidence which Creighton examined carelessly is a rigmarole?
I was referring to the rigmarole that is this topic in general....
> Have you read it? Have you read Creighton’s article?
No. The cliff notes of these threads are suffice for my limited interest. The authenticity of this one cartouche is not the end-all-be-all as there are 20+ other lines of graffiti in these chambers whose provenance is not in question, ergo, someone wrote a bunch of graffiti on these blocks using red ochre paint at the time the relieving chambers were constructed/repaired which was obviously not 10,000BC or the like. It stands to reason to establish a true context for the one we must understand them all.
> Do you
> understand the point I’m making?
Of course, but I have no interest in getting caught up in the negativity that ensues when this topic is brought up, for one, but also for me the point is moot until the context of the other translations can be established.
> Vyse’s journal has no translations. Vyse’s knowledge of
> hieroglyphs was that of an intelligent layman with a guidebook
> in his hand: next to none.
> He left all that to Samuel Birch.
> It was largely beyond Birch. The most advanced contemporary
> opinion was that of Lepsius, who examined Hill’s facsimiles in
> 1838. He didn’t get everything right. Lots of this stuff was
> not adequately understood until years later.
> The other two well-attested crew names in the pyramid of Khufu
> are, in arguable translation, “Followers of the powerful White
> Crown of Khnum-khufu” and “Pure ones of Horus Medjedu”.
I knew this about Vyse, but thought he might have catalogued them in list form and attempted to translate them with his reference. I have seen many references to Birch so I suppose he would be the place to start my search. Yes, I am aware of the others, though hardly "uncontested" as to who they actually refer to, either the king or god, but like I said there there are nearly 20 others. It stands to reason we should know what they say to give context to the whole.
Thanks anyways, but if you can think of any particular reference that may be helpful I would appreciate it.
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