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Remembering some earlier thoughts on the content of this page in particular, I realise that there is more to say about this.

First some reminders.

To fully understand what this is about, you will need to obtain a copy of Atlantis Rising Issue 106, which will cost you $2.95 for a PDF download:

[atlantisrising.com]

The relevant article is “CRIME IN THE GREAT PYRAMID BY SCOTT CREIGHTON”, starting on page 42.

Please note the following caveat.

If you have gained the impression from the hype that Creighton has made some game-changing discovery and are disappointed in what it turns out to be, please don’t ask me for your money back. I’m not recommending the article. I know it’s junk.

Studying Vyse’s manuscript over a usefully long period of time, one begins to recognise at least some of his notations, including (of obvious importance) dates. Here, quite conspicously, to the left of a block of text, is this: “S. 17.” This in Vyse’s notation is Saturday 17 June. We know that it’s June, as, following the dates backwards, we find (8 pages earlier) “Thursday. June. 1.”

The date for the preceding entry (“F. 16.”) is just visible (cut in half) at the top of the scanned image. (I wish I’d noticed this when I did the scan.)

The smaller illustration of the crew name xwfw smrw — captioned “in Campbell’s Chamber” — appears at the end of the entry, so we may fairly assume that it was drawn (squeezed into the space?) no earlier than the 16th.





A clue to the timing might have been obtained (with less haste and more speed) by cross-reference to Vyse’s book:





Here we catch the Colonel in a mistake. Consider the drawings at bottom left of the manuscript page. See how the text runs around them? It begins to run around them with the entry for the 16th, so they must have been drawn before that entry was written, probably earlier that day, the day for which Vyse, writing in retrospect, in 1838, the version for publication, could find nothing to say but “Nothing particular occurred.”

This implies also that the smaller illustration — the one with the additional characters which make it a crew name — was drawn later than the larger one.

Where is this taking us?

Friday 16 June 1837 is far too late in the day for this to be some kind of “blueprint for forgery” — that, or Vyse massively falsified the chronology, both privately (in his journal) and publically, with the connivance of (among others) the British and Austrian Consuls-General. (I fully expect this inanity to be advanced.)

Everything concerning the crew names was done and dusted by this date. Vyse had (probably in front of him, as he made his own drawings) Hill’s 1:1 facsimile of the cartouche of Khufu in Campbell’s Chamber (copyright British Museum):





Note also that the full version of this (covering two sheets of paper) shows the characters following the cartouche. Borrowing for a moment the Creighton style: it’s as if Vyse, for his own convenience, copied what he saw in front of him into his journal.

Consider again that larger drawing (captioned “Cartouche in Campbell’s Chamber”):





What does it look like now that you’ve seen Hill’s?

Added: Vyse’s (published) entry for 19 June has the following: “I wrote to Mr. Hamilton, and enclosed drawings of the characters in Campbell's Chamber . . .”

What may we say in summary? Timing, sequence, captions and content make nonsense of Creighton’s conjecture. What we have is the same old story of Creighton storming in with his prior agenda and assuming that the first thought which pops into his head is a breakthrough insight — and serving up the fruit of his ineptitude with a fanfare of trumpets.

M.



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