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Hi eyeofh -

Nice post. I appreciate your views and interpretations. Unfortunately I hesitate to form opinions of the AE paintings and so have absolutely no interpretation of Osiris being watered. The concept is so foreign to me that I cannot form an opinion without having more knowledge of their symbolism.

I can understand why you would encourage me to learn hieroglyphics. The thought occurred to me some years ago. I would take one glyph and if it had what I thought was a preposterous meaning, I would research how that meaning was determined. Time after time I was incredulous as to how the meaning was decided upon. I would think; this can't be true, this isn't science. So no thanks, I would rather not read them at all than to have a false sense of them.

Speaking as an atheist also, what I'm trying to say is..... christianity is so ingrained, so embedded in our culture, that it's effects are unnoticed. Our concepts of good and evil, grief and joy, wrong and right, are christian based. Unknowingly, we project these concepts onto other societies.

For example: a man or woman who has an extra marital affair is a chump. It is wrong because we've been taught it is. It is based on a value of fidelity. I could be wrong, but I believe this value stems from christianity. Other cultures might not have this concept of fidelity. But we will assume that an ancient woman would have cause to lament and wail about her spouse's infidelity, thereby giving 'context' to a manuscript. Yes it's a simple example and ck could probably convey it better.

It seems the fashion these days to view all of ancient man as having a reverence for farming. As if they were so mystified by, so ignorant of, the process of planting and harvesting that they filled this void of knowledge with superstition and religious beliefs. Archaeology/anthropology implies that ancient man was not capable of learning that the cold season killed the strawberries. That they were not, could not be, objective. That they could not simply observe - warmth = growth, and so had to create a plethora of gods and rituals to explain it. Well obviously they did understand the process of farming because they multiplied and prospered. They developed farming techniques that I would venture to guess, were a result of trial and error and not prayer, worship or ritual. This agricultural development seems to be horribly incongruent with superstitious religious text. How do you reconcile an obvious practical knowledge of farming with the extremely religious text ? Hence my observation that the "wheat" doesn't look like wheat. They knew dam well what their grains looked like and exactly how to grow them.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1007 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 473 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 440 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 433 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 436 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 499 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 450 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 391 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 434 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 448 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 350 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 407 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 426 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 437 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 516 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 446 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 384 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 472 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 419 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 414 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 359 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 409 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 488 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 436 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 402 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 403 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 472 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 429 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 489 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 483 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 416 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 407 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 411 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 372 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 454 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 351 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 431 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 474 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 444 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 425 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 493 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 470 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 395 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 568 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 327 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 367 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 457 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 405 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 424 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 424 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 502 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 386 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 398 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 391 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 389 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 408 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 399 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 448 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 418 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 373 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 351 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 438 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 415 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 407 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 432 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 434 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 414 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 417 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 368 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 383 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 403 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 391 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 445 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 316 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 408 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 382 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 364 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 387 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 402 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 377 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 253 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 426 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 396 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 414 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 403 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 375 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 405 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 408 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 404 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 377 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 352 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 375 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 419 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 409 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 309 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 370 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 355 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 350 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 406 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 407 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 330 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 358 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 548 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 739 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 599 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 373 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 402 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 443 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 405 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 410 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 404 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 423 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 287 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 325 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 333 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 336 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 281 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 273 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 279 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 311 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 205 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 354 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 405 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 329 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 312 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 338 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 289 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 271 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 221 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 180 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 180 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 193 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 169 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 252 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 216 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 204 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 187 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 231 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 192 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 232 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 166 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 198 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 166 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 129 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 116 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 155 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 174 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 174 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 180 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 166 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 213 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 157 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 161 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 152 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 147 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 158 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 149 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 138 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 163 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 177 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 176 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 230 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 247 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 263 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 290 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 279 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 182 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 199 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 164 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 198 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 167 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 198 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 183 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 255 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 181 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
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