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eyeofhorus33 wrote:

> This is fallacious. The myths which survive do not attest to
> this idea in any way or form. He was, in fact, killed in most
> versions of the Osirian myth which demonstrates he was 'living'
> and not "born dead", as you have claimed.

Of course your conclusions could be right. But, your story of Osiris is Greek in origin and not Egyptian. Even if it were Egyptian it is derived from the book of the dead and not the Pyramid Texts. This "story" isn't known from before the Greeks and is not supported by the PT. I can't even really tell you what the PT says because everything it says is contradicted somewhere else leading to any interpretation anyone chooses to make.

Whether or not he was "born dead" is mere semantics but the simple fact is he was a mummified non existent being and came into existence as a mummified non existent being according to Egyptology. Yes, He is also considered the annual flood since the PT specifically state he is cool water that tosses at Giza. So he is a non existent being who was born dead and is cool effervescent water. He is many other things as well such as the non existent being who falls in the ndit-canal after being slayed by set with the help of thot.

You can't get a handle on the PT because it is not consistent in our terms. Each god is first and powerful. Each god has highly nwegative attributes as well;

1267a. Let not Osiris come in this his evil coming;
1267b. do not open to him thine arms.
1267c. Let him be gone; let (him) go to Ndi.t; at once; let him be gone to ‘dȝ.

So he's a non-existent being who was born as a mummy and dies in the ndit-canal on a regular basis while other times leaking corpse drippings in heaven which people need a sharp soul and to walk on tip toe to get through. Of course this same non-existent being is also cool water at Giza.

We even know that Osiris smells like the eye of horus;

1754. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the odour of the eye of Horus, like the eye of Horus, which he traced by its odour.

But these corpse dripping smell good it would seem;

1801c. it will collect thy flesh; it will let thy evil sweat flow to the ground.
1802a. Take its odour to thee, that thy odour may be sweet like that of Rē‘,
1802b. when he ascends in the horizon, and the gods of the horizon delight in him.
1803a. O N., the odour of the eye of Horus is upon thee;

I could go on like this all day because the PT really is about osiris and his nature and according to Egyptology this is the most convoluted and illogical referent ever devised by the minds of man. Osiris is simply an impossibility even as a belief because it requires one to hold contradictory concepts and definitions. This is the PT; constant contradiction and inconsistency. There's no "story" in it and there's no reason whatsoever to beliueve it has the same meaning as the book of the dead.

It's like Egyptologists went to extreme effort to translate this so anyone could read it and then they neglected to actually read it themselves. Meanwhile the physical evidence has been getting pounded into a framework of this utter nonsense for a century and a half. In other words they take "osiris" to be a "god" who happens to have whatever attributes are relevant to aspecific conversation. Other conflicting attributes are simply ignored until they become relevant.

These problems hardly apply only to "osiris", they apply to almost every proper noun in the PT as well as many regular nouns like "boat". Trying to express an understanding of ancient people in such terms simply causes a person to sound like a mystic. Forcing the physical evidence into this creates a paradigm incapable of making accurate predictions.

It's hard to rule out any theory when the evidence is so shallow and open to such broad interpretation. Even the evidence appears to be in doubt in some cases though obviously the pyramid was buily by Suphis, Cheops, Khufu, or whomever.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 450 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 362 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 447 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 397 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 499 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 436 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 427 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 372 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 430 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 508 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 447 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 413 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 412 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 494 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 443 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 505 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 382 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
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Re: Logbook doubts 442 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
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Re: Logbook doubts 433 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 384 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 547 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 365 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 410 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 373 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 455 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 482 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
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Re: Logbook doubts 477 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
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Re: Logbook doubts 378 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 447 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
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Re: Logbook doubts 598 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 337 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 379 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 473 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 444 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
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Re: Logbook doubts 438 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 431 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
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Re: context and customs 367 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 448 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 426 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 450 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 425 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 429 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
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Re: Language doubts 394 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 412 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 404 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 457 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 327 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 423 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 394 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 382 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 358 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 420 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
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Re: Logbook doubts 409 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 425 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 414 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 388 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 369 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
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Re: Logbook doubts 420 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
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Re: Logbook doubts 381 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
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Re: Logbook doubts 431 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
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Re: Logbook doubts 418 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
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Re: Logbook doubts 344 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
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Re: Logbook doubts 372 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 346 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
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Re: Logbook doubts 296 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
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Re: Logbook doubts 367 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
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Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 325 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 360 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 311 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 285 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 207 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 176 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 214 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 201 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 140 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 134 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 163 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 194 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 187 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 176 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 224 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 181 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 203 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 189 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
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Re: More Vyse wickedness 258 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
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