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> SC: What I imagine is irrelevant.

> MA: My point exactly. Your "I can imagine it - so it must be
> true" is irrelevant. We agree at last.

> SC: Er – no.

You need to make up your mind.

> SC: You don’t get away that easily. You cannot just
> clip and post my statement out of context. What MATTERS is that
> we have a ‘testimony’ from Brewer/Allen that alleges fraud.

What matters is - can we find something that supports that claim. Like an inscription that Vyse could have copied.

> SC: THAT is what you should be concerned about. And that the
> imperative is to obtain the truth of the matter. Are you
> interested in obtaining the truth?

Personalizing.

> MA: The discussion I engaged in is already settled. I asked you
> to provide an example of an inscription Vyse could have copied.
> You could not. What I got was an insight into your lively
> imagination - an imagination that we agree is
> irrelevant.

> SC: Hilarious. You say that because those of us with an
> imagination can imagine the ways of perpetrating such a fraud
> that the likes of your good self, without an imagination, could
> not.

I say that because imaginary evidence is just that - imaginary.

> SC: To you perpetrating such a fraud was deemed “impossible”.

I have deemed nothing impossible. Yet.

> SC: The use of imagination from myself and others has shown that it
> wasn’t.

It has shown that you let your imagination, rather than facts, guide you.

> SC: But then you don’t want to use any imagination you
> might have because it might reveal to you possibilities you
> rather wouldn’t want to consider. In short – you are running
> scared of the truth and are merely here attempting to help
> shore up a thoroughly untenable position.

Personalizing.

> SC: Asks the person who is happy to accept a stone box in the
> early giant pyramids is a sarcophagus when no remains of any
> king have ever been found. Do you imagine a dead king in those
> stone boxes? Do you imagine just when it suits you?

I use logic. An example follows here under.

> SC: Your argument is like saying a person found dead with a bullet in
> them wasn’t shot because no one has found the gun. The gun is
> the logical conclusion even in its absence.

If you insist on using analogies, do try to come up with something that makes some sense.

The logical conclusion when you find a person with a bullet in him is that he was shot. The logical conclusion when you find an inscription on a stone is not that it was faked.

There you have it - the difference between logic and imagination.

> SC: If fraud was
> committed as the Brewer/Allan ‘testimony’ implies then Tricky
> Dicky would have to have had found something to copy. That
> isn’t imagined – it is the logical conclusion.

That is the point that I have been making all along. Where is it? An answer based on facts rather than on your imagination if you please.

Do you understand the difference between "If fraud was committed he would have to have had something to copy" and "Fraud was commited therefore he had something to copy"?
You write the former but argue from the later.

Morten



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 985 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 459 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 425 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 418 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 423 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 480 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 433 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 376 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 416 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 436 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 336 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 392 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 410 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 421 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 502 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 434 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 372 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 457 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 399 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 395 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 343 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 390 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 473 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 419 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 386 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 386 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 456 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 417 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 469 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 464 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 401 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 458 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 357 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 435 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 485 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 505 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 404 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 336 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 430 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 408 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 410 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 452 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 433 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 422 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 385 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 548 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 309 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 354 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 437 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 449 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 391 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 408 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 410 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 483 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 374 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 378 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 380 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 376 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 397 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 386 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 429 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 407 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 363 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 339 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 425 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 403 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 400 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 420 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 422 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 400 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 401 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 350 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 371 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 391 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 380 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 432 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 305 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 394 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 370 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 350 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 338 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 365 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 389 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 242 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 385 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 401 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 393 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 367 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 394 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 397 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 367 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 338 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 364 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 408 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 394 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 298 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 359 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 343 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 342 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 394 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 395 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 315 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 345 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 535 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 381 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 720 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 575 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 458 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 356 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 430 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 395 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 390 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 411 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 275 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 315 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 325 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 384 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 351 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 319 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 270 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 259 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 261 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 300 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 193 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 343 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 389 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 310 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 303 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 326 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 278 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 259 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 209 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 169 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 166 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 181 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 156 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 242 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 206 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 194 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 176 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 219 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 178 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 209 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 155 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 181 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 153 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 113 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 101 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 143 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 164 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 166 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 154 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 198 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 145 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 144 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 141 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 136 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 145 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 139 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 124 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 163 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 165 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 210 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 234 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 250 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 274 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 261 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 170 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 186 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 152 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 162 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 187 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 156 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 153 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 187 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 171 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 239 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 170 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
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