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Scott Creighton wrote:

> MS: You’re lecturing someone who (a) spoke with Walter
> M. Allen, (b) exchanged letters with Walter M. Allen and (c)
> has seen much of Walter M. Allen’s material sent to a contact
> in this country, in connection with his genealogical
> research.
>
> SC: Lecturing? Do get over yourself, Stower.

Yes, Creighton, lecturing. It’s so much your habitual tone that doubtless you don’t notice yourself doing it. Usually on the wisdom accrued in your last five minutes’ Googling.

> You claim to have had some considerable contact with Walter
> M. Allen.

So you can read, when you try.

> Did he tell you Sitchin wrote the note?

Creighton,

Why would I ask him about a note which wasn’t released during his lifetime? Try to keep track of the sequence.

Doubtless your approach would be to steam in with a barrage of aggressive questions. It is not and was not mine.

> Did he tell you his ham-radio logbook note claiming the
> Howard-Vyse fraud was all made up?

Oh, so it’s only of relevance if Allen made a profoundly unlikely confession?

Is this a red herring or a straw man?

> No - didn't think so. How do I know this? Because if you did
> have such evidence in your possession from Walter Allen you
> would not have been so backward in coming forward with it. You
> would have posted such 'proof' all over this Board and probably
> all over the web if you ever had such in your possession.

And here you try to imagine what I would do, on the basis of what you would have done.

For your information, Creighton, dragging a frail old man into an acrimonious public debate is not in my line, much as it may be in yours.

That’s ethics in action: something very different from the moralistic posturing you go in for.

> Clearly you do not.

This being the extent of your curiosity about what he did tell me and what I’ve seen of his research material — all relevant, one might have thought, to assessing the authenticity of a document attributed to him.

I’m making a reasoned assessment based on a wider corpus of evidence. You’re still relying on Sitchin. Your procedure stinks, no matter how much you bluster.

> So, Stower - if ever I need any lessons in how to score an own
> goal, I will be sure to look you up.

Creighton,

It’s not a contest. The object is the truth — isn’t it? Or do you really just not care about that?

M.


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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 960 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 441 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 408 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 401 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 404 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 461 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 415 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 360 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 419 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 317 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 376 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 393 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 406 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 473 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 414 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 356 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 440 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 381 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 373 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 325 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 371 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 458 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 369 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 370 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 439 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 400 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 450 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 447 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 383 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 395 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 336 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 317 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 385 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 411 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 412 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 458 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 403 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 529 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 279 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 339 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 420 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 432 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 375 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 383 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 467 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 356 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 356 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 359 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 357 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 378 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 367 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 413 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 390 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 346 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 323 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 399 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 386 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 391 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 404 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 397 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 383 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 385 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 334 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 355 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 375 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 362 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 414 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 291 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 376 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 352 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 332 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 321 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 317 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 359 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 345 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 224 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 370 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 382 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 375 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 352 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 378 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 316 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 378 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 377 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 349 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 323 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 346 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 392 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 371 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 281 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 341 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 324 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 330 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 375 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 380 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 298 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 327 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 514 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 360 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 692 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 543 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 346 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 338 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 412 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 340 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 373 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 379 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 372 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 389 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 257 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 298 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 316 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 329 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 301 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 250 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 240 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 238 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 281 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 175 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 367 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 294 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 281 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 307 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 261 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 240 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 192 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 150 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 148 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 162 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 138 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 212 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 187 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 173 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 157 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 198 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 157 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 181 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 137 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 163 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 136 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 98 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 84 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 116 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 140 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 147 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 135 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 181 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 129 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 122 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 125 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 118 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 131 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 120 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 107 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 132 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 145 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 148 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 186 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 217 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 233 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 257 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 239 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 152 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 166 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 132 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 171 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 138 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 134 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 152 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 217 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 153 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
Australian Funeral 184 molder 15-Jun-14 05:03
Re: Australian Funeral 300 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:56
Re: Australian Funeral 124 molder 16-Jun-14 12:06
Re: Australian Funeral 141 cladking 16-Jun-14 16:50
Re: Australian Funeral 108 Audrey 23-Jun-14 01:58
Re: Australian Funeral 147 molder 19-Jun-14 07:25
Re: Australian Funeral 132 molder 20-Jun-14 10:28
Re: Australian Funeral/North American Funeral 114 molder 22-Jun-14 06:53


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