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MS: Before you presume to deliver lectures on laziness, I suggest you do the following:

Stop lazily plagiarising other people’s bad ideas. As here: Sitchin’s ‘he got it all from a book’ (with the very minor adjustment of naming Rosellini instead of Wilkinson) and the late Alan Alford’s ‘all he needed to do was find an inscription elsewhere and copy it’.

SC: Stower – stop lazily trying to attribute the argument I present to others. Try dealing with what I am arguing now, not what others have argued in the past.

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MS: Do the work it would take to understand the issue and understand what’s being said to you. You have very plainly understood neither.

SC: Well – you just keep telling yourself that, Stower and I am sure you will feel all the better for it. But hey, guess what - when you wake up tomorrow I will still be here and so will my argument.

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MS: It’s already been explained to you that Rosellini misread and misattributed the name Xnmw xwfw. And which cartouche name appears most frequently in the chambers? That’s right! Xnmw xwfw, the name a forger guided by Rosellini would not have used! The name xwfw appears just once.

SC: And how many times does it have to be explained to you that xwfw (Khufu) with hatched disc was published by Rosellini five years BEFORE Tricky Dicky went to Egypt? 'KHUFU' is all the fraudster needed to know. Whatever else he may have found alongside the Khufu inscription e.g. Khnum-Khuf, Medjedu etc, he simply had these copied too even though he would not have understood them - but whatever these were they clearly related to Khufu because they were found alongside Khufu's name (hypothetically, of course). End of.

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MS: This before we note the presence in the chambers of the Horus name of Khufu, Hr mDdw, which no one so much as recognised as a name in 1837.

SC: Er, Earth calling Stower – you don’t need to know what something actually is or says to be able to copy it. And Tricky Dicky and his accomplice were very good copiers.

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MS: Canonically, a Horus name appears in a serekh. Whoever wrote the relevant inscriptions knew, not only that is was a name but also that such a name could appear without the serekh in a linear (horizontal) inscription. This is nontrivial knowledge: anyone who possessed it in 1837 would have a strong claim to being the leading Egyptologist of the day — and that, Creighton, would have given Vyse all the fame he could handle, without the crazy risk of resorting to forgery. Needs must not.

SC: Knock, knock McFly! Tricky Dicky wouldn’t have had a clue what he was copying and he didn't have to know – he would have simply copied what was there alongside the only thing that he DID recognise – the Khufu cartouche. Thus, in so doing, he connects the Great Pyramid to Khufu. Thus he achieves the holy grail of Egyptology. Thus his name is immortalised.

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MS: As for the character which tells us that these names — comprising the royal names, plus the other characters — are crew names: that wasn’t understood until the early 20th century.

SC: And your point is? Copy, copy, copy…… but to be fair, let us not forget either that Humphries Brewer told his family that some of the faint “marks” were repainted and some were new. This, of course, implies that these chambers did indeed have some ancient marks in them already. The question is – which are ancient and which aren’t? Were the Khnum-Khuf marks already there or were the Khufu marks already there? Or none? Or both? Let’s end this he said, he said, he said nonsense now and simply agree that the only way this question might be settled is by getting the forensic people in there, Stower – you know it makes sense. Why are you afraid to concede that that is the most sensible approach that might help settle this question? What is it you are afraid of? It is pretty obvious that you are afraid of something - your resistance to forensic science getting involved, when clearly it is needed, speaks volumes.

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MS: All he had to do was find inscriptions and copy them . . . Yeah, right:

SC: Indeed.

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MS: …first of all, he’d have to recognise them as the right inscriptions to copy.

SC: This is the lazy, shallow and wholly inept thinking that has led consensus Egyptology and its Egypt-apologists into this mess. One more time - all that Tricky Dicky needed to recognise was the cartouche of Khufu. And that cartouche had been published five years BEFORE he went to Egypt and, if I recall, you already accept that it is likely that Howard-Vyse understood how the Khufu cartouche should look. And that is ALL Tricky Dicky needed to know. If he finds a piece of text from somewhere outside the pyramid that bears the Khufu cartouche that he recognises, then he simply copies whatever the text that accompanies the Khufu cartouche into the chamber. Whatever this text says, even though Ticky Dicky hasn’t the first idea of what it says, he KNOWS it relates to Khufu. 'KHUFU' is ALL he needed to know. Are you getting this yet? Is it registering with you?

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MS: Brighter readers will work out how difficult that would be from what I’ve written above.

SC: And anyone with half a brain will know how easy it is to copy a piece of text from one place into another. For some odd reason you seem to be the only one here that is having difficulty grasping such a simple concept.

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MS: In short, Creighton, Merrell is completely right: it would have taken a time machine.

SC: Well, you just keep believing that complete fantasy, Stower. I am sure it will, afterall, help soothe your anxieties over this.

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MS: You are completely wrong…

SC: Really? Prove it.

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MS:…which makes your ill-mannered sarcasm (unacceptable in any case) doubly unwarranted.

SC: Oh well – it’s a real shame I upset you. I really didn’t mean to do that. Is it too late to ask you to forgive me?

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1042 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 485 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 451 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 448 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 455 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 532 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 487 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 403 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 450 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 462 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 362 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 426 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 442 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 447 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 536 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 457 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 397 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 499 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 436 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 427 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 372 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 430 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 508 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 447 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 413 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 412 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 494 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 443 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 505 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 517 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 427 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 433 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 384 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 547 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 410 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 373 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 455 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 482 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 485 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 478 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 504 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 447 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 408 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 598 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 337 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 379 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 473 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 444 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 514 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 413 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 417 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 400 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 411 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 462 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 431 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 383 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 367 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 448 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 426 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 442 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 450 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 425 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 429 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 385 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 394 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 412 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 404 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 457 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 327 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 423 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 394 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 382 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 358 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 420 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 388 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 265 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 444 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 409 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 425 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 414 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 388 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 419 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 419 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 437 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 425 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 322 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 381 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 368 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 368 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 423 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 417 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 346 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 369 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 575 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 411 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 787 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 638 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 478 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 420 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 381 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 453 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 413 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 431 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 418 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 436 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 313 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 339 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 411 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 372 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 346 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 294 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 290 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 296 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 325 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 235 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 367 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 435 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
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Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 325 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 360 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 311 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 285 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 232 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 219 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 207 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 260 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 176 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 214 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 201 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 140 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 134 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 163 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 194 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 187 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 176 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 224 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 181 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 203 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 189 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
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Re: More Vyse wickedness 258 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
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