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MS: Before you presume to deliver lectures on laziness, I suggest you do the following:

Stop lazily plagiarising other people’s bad ideas. As here: Sitchin’s ‘he got it all from a book’ (with the very minor adjustment of naming Rosellini instead of Wilkinson) and the late Alan Alford’s ‘all he needed to do was find an inscription elsewhere and copy it’.

SC: Stower – stop lazily trying to attribute the argument I present to others. Try dealing with what I am arguing now, not what others have argued in the past.

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MS: Do the work it would take to understand the issue and understand what’s being said to you. You have very plainly understood neither.

SC: Well – you just keep telling yourself that, Stower and I am sure you will feel all the better for it. But hey, guess what - when you wake up tomorrow I will still be here and so will my argument.

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MS: It’s already been explained to you that Rosellini misread and misattributed the name Xnmw xwfw. And which cartouche name appears most frequently in the chambers? That’s right! Xnmw xwfw, the name a forger guided by Rosellini would not have used! The name xwfw appears just once.

SC: And how many times does it have to be explained to you that xwfw (Khufu) with hatched disc was published by Rosellini five years BEFORE Tricky Dicky went to Egypt? 'KHUFU' is all the fraudster needed to know. Whatever else he may have found alongside the Khufu inscription e.g. Khnum-Khuf, Medjedu etc, he simply had these copied too even though he would not have understood them - but whatever these were they clearly related to Khufu because they were found alongside Khufu's name (hypothetically, of course). End of.

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MS: This before we note the presence in the chambers of the Horus name of Khufu, Hr mDdw, which no one so much as recognised as a name in 1837.

SC: Er, Earth calling Stower – you don’t need to know what something actually is or says to be able to copy it. And Tricky Dicky and his accomplice were very good copiers.

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MS: Canonically, a Horus name appears in a serekh. Whoever wrote the relevant inscriptions knew, not only that is was a name but also that such a name could appear without the serekh in a linear (horizontal) inscription. This is nontrivial knowledge: anyone who possessed it in 1837 would have a strong claim to being the leading Egyptologist of the day — and that, Creighton, would have given Vyse all the fame he could handle, without the crazy risk of resorting to forgery. Needs must not.

SC: Knock, knock McFly! Tricky Dicky wouldn’t have had a clue what he was copying and he didn't have to know – he would have simply copied what was there alongside the only thing that he DID recognise – the Khufu cartouche. Thus, in so doing, he connects the Great Pyramid to Khufu. Thus he achieves the holy grail of Egyptology. Thus his name is immortalised.

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MS: As for the character which tells us that these names — comprising the royal names, plus the other characters — are crew names: that wasn’t understood until the early 20th century.

SC: And your point is? Copy, copy, copy…… but to be fair, let us not forget either that Humphries Brewer told his family that some of the faint “marks” were repainted and some were new. This, of course, implies that these chambers did indeed have some ancient marks in them already. The question is – which are ancient and which aren’t? Were the Khnum-Khuf marks already there or were the Khufu marks already there? Or none? Or both? Let’s end this he said, he said, he said nonsense now and simply agree that the only way this question might be settled is by getting the forensic people in there, Stower – you know it makes sense. Why are you afraid to concede that that is the most sensible approach that might help settle this question? What is it you are afraid of? It is pretty obvious that you are afraid of something - your resistance to forensic science getting involved, when clearly it is needed, speaks volumes.

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MS: All he had to do was find inscriptions and copy them . . . Yeah, right:

SC: Indeed.

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MS: …first of all, he’d have to recognise them as the right inscriptions to copy.

SC: This is the lazy, shallow and wholly inept thinking that has led consensus Egyptology and its Egypt-apologists into this mess. One more time - all that Tricky Dicky needed to recognise was the cartouche of Khufu. And that cartouche had been published five years BEFORE he went to Egypt and, if I recall, you already accept that it is likely that Howard-Vyse understood how the Khufu cartouche should look. And that is ALL Tricky Dicky needed to know. If he finds a piece of text from somewhere outside the pyramid that bears the Khufu cartouche that he recognises, then he simply copies whatever the text that accompanies the Khufu cartouche into the chamber. Whatever this text says, even though Ticky Dicky hasn’t the first idea of what it says, he KNOWS it relates to Khufu. 'KHUFU' is ALL he needed to know. Are you getting this yet? Is it registering with you?

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MS: Brighter readers will work out how difficult that would be from what I’ve written above.

SC: And anyone with half a brain will know how easy it is to copy a piece of text from one place into another. For some odd reason you seem to be the only one here that is having difficulty grasping such a simple concept.

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MS: In short, Creighton, Merrell is completely right: it would have taken a time machine.

SC: Well, you just keep believing that complete fantasy, Stower. I am sure it will, afterall, help soothe your anxieties over this.

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MS: You are completely wrong…

SC: Really? Prove it.

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MS:…which makes your ill-mannered sarcasm (unacceptable in any case) doubly unwarranted.

SC: Oh well – it’s a real shame I upset you. I really didn’t mean to do that. Is it too late to ask you to forgive me?

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 987 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 460 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 426 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 419 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 424 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 481 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 434 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 377 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 417 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 437 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 337 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 393 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 412 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 422 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 503 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 435 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 373 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 458 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 400 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 397 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 344 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 392 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 475 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 420 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 387 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 387 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 458 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 418 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 470 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 465 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 402 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
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Re: Logbook doubts 354 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
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Re: Logbook doubts 358 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 506 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 335 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 458 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
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Re: Logbook doubts 383 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
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Re: Logbook doubts 430 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
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Re: Logbook doubts 473 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 412 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
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Re: Logbook doubts 422 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
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Re: Logbook doubts 549 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 311 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
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Re: Logbook doubts 439 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
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Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 411 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 412 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
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Re: Logbook doubts 398 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 430 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 407 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 363 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 339 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 425 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 403 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 401 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 422 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 400 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
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Re: Language doubts 371 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 391 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 380 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 432 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 306 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 394 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 370 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 351 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 338 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 365 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 390 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 242 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 386 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 401 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 393 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 368 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 397 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 396 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 315 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 346 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 537 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
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Re: Logbook doubts 721 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 576 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
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Re: Logbook doubts 387 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 458 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
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Re: Logbook doubts 392 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
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Re: Logbook doubts 395 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 391 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 411 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
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Re: Logbook doubts 315 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 326 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
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Re: Logbook doubts 351 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
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Re: Logbook doubts 270 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 194 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 156 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 182 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 143 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 160 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 164 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 166 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 154 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 199 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 145 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 144 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 142 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 136 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 145 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 140 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 124 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 163 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 165 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
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