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Scott Creighton wrote:

> . . . Sitchin merely made public the information passed down to
> Walter Allen and presented by Allen to Sitchin. . . .

A perfect illustration of your credulity towards Sitchin.

[tiresome material snipped]

> MS: As usual, I suggest you learn what the term means.
>
> SC: And, as usual, you merely demonstrate your ability and
> proclivity to lose the debate by scoring an own goal by your
> resorting, once again, to ad hominem remarks. . . .

A perfect illustration of my point. You don’t know what ‘ad hominem’ means.

Commenting on your misuse of words (and poor methodology in general) is not ad hominem. It’s legitimate evaluation of the form and content of your argument (if we condescend to so dignify your jumble of assertions).

> SC: Who first wrote the words "Faint marks were
> repainted, some were new"? Was it Walter Allen or was it
> Sitchin? Yes, Stower - it was Walter Allen.
>
> MS: Oh. You know this, do you? You were looking over his
> shoulder, as he wrote them?
>
> SC: Sitchin merely QUOTED Walter Allen.
>
> MS: Oh. You know this, do you? You’ve seen the original
> document? You know that Sitchin reproduced it
> correctly?
>
> SC: Oh, so it is all a big conspiracy Stower? Is THAT what you
> are insinuating here?

A forgery fantasist whingeing about conspiracy theory? Please.

What I’m suggesting is that you exercise elementary caution about sources, just like a real historian would. And you have a problem with that?

[more tiresome material snipped]

> SC: So, Stower – even if Allen’s notes are proved to have been
> written by Allen, you still wouldn’t believe it, would you?

If? Why ‘if’, Creighton? Have they not been so proved? Is such proof still lacking? Is such proof still required?

Funny, that. It’s what I thought I was pointing out. So I have made progress.

I call for elementary caution, you start ranting about conspiracy theory.

Funny that.

Creighton,

Don’t presume to tell me what I would do if further evidence were presented.

[mere incoherent ranting insults snipped]

> SC: As matters stand, Allen’s notes were written by Walter
> Allen.

Amazing revelation. Let us all bow down and worship you.

> If you imagine some great conspiracy that they were
> actually written by Sitchin then present proof of it.

Er, no, Creighton. It’s you imagining that, as a pure caricature of my call for elementary, methodological caution. No wonder you have such difficulty in elementary reasoning.

> The Allen family (and the other McAlpine branch)
> were very keen (amateur) genealogists,

Amazing revelation. Let us all bow down and worship you.

Creighton,

You’re lecturing someone who (a) spoke with Walter M. Allen, (b) exchanged letters with Walter M. Allen and (c) has seen much of Walter M. Allen’s material sent to a contact in this country, in connection with his genealogical research.

Have you no self-awareness or sense of irony?

> . . . Why would Sitchin, knowing Walter Allen’s family
> research would most likely be passed down to someone else in
> the family who would very easily be able to call Sitchin’s
> bluff, have taken such a risk? . . .

Why would Vyse have taken such a risk?

Parity of reasoning, please.

Good luck with that family research having been passed down.

> Sitchin would have been insane
> to knowingly place himself in a position where he could easily
> be found out as a liar by the family concerned.

Vyse would have been insane to knowingly place himself in such a position where he could easily be found out, blackmailed etc.

What makes you imagine that Sitchin did not check with the family first? If only for copyright reasons?

Besides which, you’ve missed the main piece of evidence which you could have cited.

> The Allen family tradition didn't end with Walter Allen's death
> y'know.

O, wow, tell me all about it.

Still playing the expert on the strength of things you’ve just Googled.

> MS: Tell me, Creighton, did Sitchin lie about the Hill
> facsimiles? A yes or no answer is suggested.
>
> SC: Did Sitchin lie or did he have bad eyesight or was he
> misguided by poor printing . . .

No straight answer, then.

Imagine my surprise.

The remainder of your huffing and puffing . . . snipped.

M.


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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 116 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 164 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 170 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 157 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 202 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
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Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 148 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 145 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 139 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 148 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 143 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 129 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 154 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
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