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Scott Creighton wrote:

> In my view the Brewer/Allen testimony, [. . .]

Testimony? You’re calling this testimony?

I suggest you give closer consideration to the meaning of the word:

[en.wikipedia.org]

What we have doesn’t come close to first-person testimony, under oath, on penalty of perjury, in a court of law.

What we have is a chain of hearsay: Nell told mother told me.

Who was Nell? She was Helen Pattengill, née Brewer. Her father was William Marchant Brewer, Humphries Brewer’s eldest son. She was born in 1876. Her grandfather Humphries had died in 1867. She never knew him. What she knew about him would have come from her father and from other relatives.

So the full chain of hearsay is this:

Humphries Brewer → William Marchant Brewer → Helen Pattengill (née Brewer) → Walter’s mother → Walter M. Allen → Zecharia Sitchin

I include the known liar Sitchin because we’re still relying on him for the logbook material. It has not been disclosed elsewhere.

This is how far we are from a solemn attestion by the supposed actual witness, Humphries Brewer.

Why, we might ask, if Humphries Brewer cared so much, did he not make a formal affidavit of the story?

Why did he not warn Lepsius?

> At the end of the day, the situation boils down to the analogy
> and question I presented you in a previous post which you did
> not answer - would you happily accept a fifty banknote from a
> known fraudster without checking it (even though the known
> fraudster was known to have done some good things with his fake
> banknotes)? The fraudster claims the banknote he has offered
> you is genuine. To compound matters further, someone slips you
> a note claiming that they saw the fraudster in his workshop
> that afternoon making fake banknotes. What would you do?

To complete your analogy:

The person who slips you the note is a known liar. The known fraudster was never convicted of fraud. The known fraudster was never caught passing dud banknotes. Experts say the banknotes he did pass are genuine. The fraud of which there is some evidence is one perpetrated also by such well-known moral lepers as William Wilberforce and Lord Cochrane.

Et cetera.

Edited 2017-03-13 to replace HTML entity arrows.

M.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13-Mar-17 15:52 by Martin Stower.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 949 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 432 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 403 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 396 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 402 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 458 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 410 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 354 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 387 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 413 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 310 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 369 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 389 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 400 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 469 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 410 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 351 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 435 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 375 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 366 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 322 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 361 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 452 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 397 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 363 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 363 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 433 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 396 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 446 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 440 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
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Re: Logbook doubts 434 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 330 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
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Re: Logbook doubts 384 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 332 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 461 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 313 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
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Re: Logbook doubts 407 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 420 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 406 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 385 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
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Re: context and customs 317 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 397 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 380 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 387 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 378 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 381 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 379 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
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Re: Language doubts 351 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 370 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 358 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 400 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 286 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 372 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 348 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 323 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 315 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 314 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 352 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 339 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
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Re: Logbook doubts 368 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 343 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 220 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 388 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 366 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 379 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 373 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 349 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 309 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
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Re: Logbook doubts 371 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 375 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 295 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 325 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 504 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 352 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 683 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
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Re: Logbook doubts 326 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
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Re: Logbook doubts 234 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 273 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 171 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 319 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
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Re: Logbook doubts 141 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
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Re: Logbook doubts 136 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 126 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 93 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
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