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SC: By placing his hat into the dirty ring, the man knew exactly what he was doing and what he would have to do to get what he wanted.

MS: Another product of your mystical insight?

SC: What – you think Tricky Dicky was some bumbling idiot martinet that hadn’t a clue how to fight dirty? Are you that naive?

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MS: What he had to do in fact does not include anything and everything you make up (such as, violence, intimidation and threats of eviction which never happened).

SC: I am not saying Tricky Dicky “had” to employ such methods—just highlighting the fact that these were known and used practices at elections in this period and that such strong-arm tactics were as available to him as they were to every other corrupt politician back in the day. The point is – Tricky Dicky would have understood before entering the ring that if the vote was tight and buying votes was unlikely to swing it for him, then these other strong-arm tactics would most likely have to come into play. He would have been well aware of the full spectrum of tactics (some dirtier than others) that were available before he ever set foot in the dirty ring--and well aware also that he might actually have to resort to using them. And yet such prior awareness did not deter him from entering the squalid race. Of course, he may well have hoped that he would never have to stoop so low by employing such shameful tactics but I venture that if the situation arose where he had to use such strong-arm tactics then he would not have hesitated in doing so--just as the other crooked politicians had. His entering the dirty ring in the first place implies he was ready, able and willing. And ruthless. He wasn't in the race to lose. Why should it be imagined that Tricky Dicky would draw the line at using just one dirty tactic i.e. bribery? He was in for a penny, in for a pound. Tricky Dicky's patron, the Duke of Cumberland, would have made damn sure that he had chosen the right man (a military man like himself) for the very dirty job. A man who would not flinch from doing whatever was necessary; a man not afraid to employ whatever low and shameful tactics it took in order to win. Do not kid yourself otherwise.

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MS: Facts not good enough for you?

SC: The fact is that such strong-arm tactics were used in this period, especially when the vote was tight. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky would have known this. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky, with such fore-knowledge, STILL entered the dirty ring. You cannot deny this.

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SC: That you are happy to take the word of Tricky Dicky on 'faith' is entirely your business.

MS: That this is a matter of taking someone’s “word” or taking something on “faith” is your fabrication.

SC: Call it what you like--you take the dubious word of Tricky Dicky over and above any need for scientifically testing the inscriptions you assert that he 'found'; inscriptions that--irrespective of your lame and lamentable protestations--Tricky Dicky COULD have easily forged. (Yes, contrary to what you have always held to be true, there IS a relatively easy way a forgery COULD have been perpetrated by him and his team in these chambers). Do you not yet see how ridiculous and untenable your position has now become? How many decades now have you invested in your charade of protesting Tricky Dicky's innocence?

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MS: The case against the forgery fantasia has never depended on imagining that Vyse was a plaster saint.

SC: I certainly never for a single moment imagined Tricky Dicky to be a "plaster saint" but, nevertheless, it's encouraging to see that you are finally moving your opinion of him in the right direction.

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MS: It’s far more a matter of recognising the checks and balances inherent in the situation.

SC: Well that is exactly the problem--there are no "checks and balances" here. That is what I have been asking here (and elsewhere) for weeks now--that forensic scientists are permitted into those chambers to CHECK those inscriptions in order to provide us with a more BALANCED view. But at every turn, the skeptics here resist this suggestion, insisting that such is not needed, that the word of Tricky Dicky can be trusted. Are you all listening to yourselves?

Now, you can try and spin it, candy-floss it or sugar-coat it in any way you like—Tricky Dicky cannot be trusted on his word. Plain. Simple. It is far more a matter of obtaining REAL evidence to prove the inscriptions in those chambers are authentic rather than basing their veracity on the dubious word of Tricky Dicky.

What's the problem with doing the science? What is it you are afraid of?

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SC: Would I accept the word of a person who can suspend their morality whenever it suits them to do so? I really don’t think so.

MS: That’s entirely your business.

SC: Good--glad you agree.

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 992 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 465 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 434 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 424 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 430 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 487 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 439 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 384 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 425 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 442 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 344 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 420 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 428 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 509 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 440 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 378 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 463 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 407 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 405 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 353 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 400 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 482 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 428 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 396 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 394 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 467 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 425 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 479 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 473 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 410 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 424 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 366 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 345 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 426 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 413 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 342 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 481 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 420 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 444 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
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Re: Logbook doubts 462 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 431 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 390 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 556 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 315 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 361 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 444 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 399 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 416 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 490 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 380 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 384 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 384 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 382 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 392 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 435 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 412 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 367 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 344 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 432 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 408 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 426 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 428 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 407 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 408 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 357 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 375 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 396 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 385 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 437 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 311 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 399 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 377 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 357 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 340 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 381 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 372 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 246 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 391 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 407 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 398 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 370 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 399 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 329 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 402 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 345 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 369 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 413 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 400 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 304 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 363 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 349 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 344 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 399 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 402 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 320 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 351 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 542 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 407 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 728 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 584 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 436 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 399 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 395 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 417 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 282 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 319 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 328 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 356 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 330 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 275 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 265 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 268 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 306 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 198 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 348 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 394 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 315 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 308 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 331 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 283 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 265 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
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Re: Logbook doubts 175 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 186 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 161 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 247 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 211 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 199 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 181 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 224 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 184 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 218 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 186 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 119 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 108 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 149 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 167 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 172 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 205 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 150 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 149 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 140 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 144 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 131 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 156 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 168 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 171 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 218 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 240 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 256 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 282 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 270 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 175 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 192 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 192 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 162 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 162 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 177 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 244 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
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