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SC: By placing his hat into the dirty ring, the man knew exactly what he was doing and what he would have to do to get what he wanted.

MS: Another product of your mystical insight?

SC: What – you think Tricky Dicky was some bumbling idiot martinet that hadn’t a clue how to fight dirty? Are you that naive?

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MS: What he had to do in fact does not include anything and everything you make up (such as, violence, intimidation and threats of eviction which never happened).

SC: I am not saying Tricky Dicky “had” to employ such methods—just highlighting the fact that these were known and used practices at elections in this period and that such strong-arm tactics were as available to him as they were to every other corrupt politician back in the day. The point is – Tricky Dicky would have understood before entering the ring that if the vote was tight and buying votes was unlikely to swing it for him, then these other strong-arm tactics would most likely have to come into play. He would have been well aware of the full spectrum of tactics (some dirtier than others) that were available before he ever set foot in the dirty ring--and well aware also that he might actually have to resort to using them. And yet such prior awareness did not deter him from entering the squalid race. Of course, he may well have hoped that he would never have to stoop so low by employing such shameful tactics but I venture that if the situation arose where he had to use such strong-arm tactics then he would not have hesitated in doing so--just as the other crooked politicians had. His entering the dirty ring in the first place implies he was ready, able and willing. And ruthless. He wasn't in the race to lose. Why should it be imagined that Tricky Dicky would draw the line at using just one dirty tactic i.e. bribery? He was in for a penny, in for a pound. Tricky Dicky's patron, the Duke of Cumberland, would have made damn sure that he had chosen the right man (a military man like himself) for the very dirty job. A man who would not flinch from doing whatever was necessary; a man not afraid to employ whatever low and shameful tactics it took in order to win. Do not kid yourself otherwise.

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MS: Facts not good enough for you?

SC: The fact is that such strong-arm tactics were used in this period, especially when the vote was tight. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky would have known this. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky, with such fore-knowledge, STILL entered the dirty ring. You cannot deny this.

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SC: That you are happy to take the word of Tricky Dicky on 'faith' is entirely your business.

MS: That this is a matter of taking someone’s “word” or taking something on “faith” is your fabrication.

SC: Call it what you like--you take the dubious word of Tricky Dicky over and above any need for scientifically testing the inscriptions you assert that he 'found'; inscriptions that--irrespective of your lame and lamentable protestations--Tricky Dicky COULD have easily forged. (Yes, contrary to what you have always held to be true, there IS a relatively easy way a forgery COULD have been perpetrated by him and his team in these chambers). Do you not yet see how ridiculous and untenable your position has now become? How many decades now have you invested in your charade of protesting Tricky Dicky's innocence?

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MS: The case against the forgery fantasia has never depended on imagining that Vyse was a plaster saint.

SC: I certainly never for a single moment imagined Tricky Dicky to be a "plaster saint" but, nevertheless, it's encouraging to see that you are finally moving your opinion of him in the right direction.

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MS: It’s far more a matter of recognising the checks and balances inherent in the situation.

SC: Well that is exactly the problem--there are no "checks and balances" here. That is what I have been asking here (and elsewhere) for weeks now--that forensic scientists are permitted into those chambers to CHECK those inscriptions in order to provide us with a more BALANCED view. But at every turn, the skeptics here resist this suggestion, insisting that such is not needed, that the word of Tricky Dicky can be trusted. Are you all listening to yourselves?

Now, you can try and spin it, candy-floss it or sugar-coat it in any way you like—Tricky Dicky cannot be trusted on his word. Plain. Simple. It is far more a matter of obtaining REAL evidence to prove the inscriptions in those chambers are authentic rather than basing their veracity on the dubious word of Tricky Dicky.

What's the problem with doing the science? What is it you are afraid of?

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SC: Would I accept the word of a person who can suspend their morality whenever it suits them to do so? I really don’t think so.

MS: That’s entirely your business.

SC: Good--glad you agree.

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 960 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 441 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 408 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 401 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 404 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 461 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 415 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 360 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 419 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 318 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 376 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 393 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 406 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 473 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 414 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 356 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 440 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 381 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 373 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 325 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 371 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 458 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 369 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 370 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 439 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 400 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 451 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 448 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 383 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 334 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 395 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 337 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 317 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 385 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 411 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 412 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 403 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 529 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 279 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 339 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 420 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 432 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 375 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 383 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 467 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 356 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 356 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 359 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 357 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 378 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 367 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 413 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 390 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 346 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 323 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 399 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 387 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 391 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 404 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 397 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 383 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 385 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 334 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 355 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 375 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 362 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 414 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 291 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 376 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 352 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 332 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 321 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 317 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 359 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 345 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 224 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 370 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 382 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 375 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 352 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 378 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 316 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 379 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 377 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 349 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 323 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 346 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 392 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 371 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 281 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 341 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 324 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 330 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 375 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 380 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 298 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 328 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 514 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 363 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 694 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 544 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 346 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 338 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 412 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 340 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 373 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 379 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 372 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 389 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 257 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 298 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 316 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 348 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 366 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 329 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 301 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 250 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 240 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 238 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 282 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 175 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 326 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 367 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 294 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 281 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 307 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 261 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 240 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
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Re: Logbook doubts 150 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 148 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 162 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 138 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 212 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 187 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 173 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 157 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 198 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 158 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 181 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 137 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 163 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 136 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 98 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 84 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 118 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 140 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 147 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 135 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 181 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 129 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 123 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 125 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 119 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 131 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 120 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 107 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 133 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 145 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 148 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 186 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 217 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 233 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 258 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 240 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 152 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 167 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 132 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 171 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 138 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 134 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 152 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 217 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 153 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
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