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Scott Creighton wrote:

> And let us also not forget here that bribery was only one of
> the corrupt means employed by people such as Howard-Vyse.
> Elections at this time were not secret ballots. If a particular
> voter could not be ‘bought’ then other means were often
> employed – intimidation, violence or the threat of being
> evicted from their home or thrown out of their jobs. It takes a
> very particular type of person to go to such lengths – to do
> whatever it takes – to win the ballot. It may not have come to
> that in Howard-Vyse’s case but it COULD have and he would have
> known that beforehand; he would have known before standing that
> he would have to be prepared to stoop to such low means if that
> is what was needed in order to win. [. . .]

So you’re basing your case now on what “COULD have” happened?

Vyse “COULD have” sacrificed babies to Satan, THEREFORE he was a VERY EVIL MAN, whose EVIL encompassed archaeological forgery.

Brilliant argument.

> SC:You're quite right - Howard-Vyse wasn't particularly
> concerned about how he got into Parliament and that lack of
> concern would manifest itself by him employing whatever means
> necessary to get himself there which often included bribery,
> intimidation, violence, threats of eviction from home and job. [. . .]

I see. Not just what he COULD have done, but what he WOULD have done, into which you have an unexplained mystical insight.

We’re to condemn Vyse, not for what he did, but for violence, intimidation and threats of eviction which happened entirely in your imagination.

I don’t think so.

M.


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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 992 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 465 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 435 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 424 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 430 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 487 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 439 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 385 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 425 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 443 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 344 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 401 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 420 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 429 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 509 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 441 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 378 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 463 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 407 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 405 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 353 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 400 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 482 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 428 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 396 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 394 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 467 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 426 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 479 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 474 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 410 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 363 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 424 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 366 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 345 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 426 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 391 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 413 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 342 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 439 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 481 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 444 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 431 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 390 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 558 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 315 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 361 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 444 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 399 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 416 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 490 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 380 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 384 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 385 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 382 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 392 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 435 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 412 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 367 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 344 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 432 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 409 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 402 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 426 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 428 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 407 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 408 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 357 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 375 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 396 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 386 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 437 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 311 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 400 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 377 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 357 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 340 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 381 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 372 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 246 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 391 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 408 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 398 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 370 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 399 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 329 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 403 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 373 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 345 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 370 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 413 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 400 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 304 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 363 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 349 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 344 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 399 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 402 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 321 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 352 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 542 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 407 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 729 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 584 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 393 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 437 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 369 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 399 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 396 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 417 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 282 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 319 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 328 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 356 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 330 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 275 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 265 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 268 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 306 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 198 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 349 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 394 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 315 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 308 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 331 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 283 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 265 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 216 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 174 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 175 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 186 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 161 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 247 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 211 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 199 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 181 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 224 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 184 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 218 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 186 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 120 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 108 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 150 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 167 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 169 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 172 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 205 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 150 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 150 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 146 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 141 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 151 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 144 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 131 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 156 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 169 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 171 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 219 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 241 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 256 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 283 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 272 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 175 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 159 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 168 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 192 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 162 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 162 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 177 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 244 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 175 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
Australian Funeral 207 molder 15-Jun-14 05:03
Re: Australian Funeral 324 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:56
Re: Australian Funeral 148 molder 16-Jun-14 12:06
Re: Australian Funeral 165 cladking 16-Jun-14 16:50
Re: Australian Funeral 130 Audrey 23-Jun-14 01:58
Re: Australian Funeral 170 molder 19-Jun-14 07:25
Re: Australian Funeral 153 molder 20-Jun-14 10:28
Re: Australian Funeral/North American Funeral 137 molder 22-Jun-14 06:53


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