> No kidding, right? The best the orthodox crowd can do these
> days is engage in these petty mud-smearing campaigns against
> their "fringe" opponents and try to focus on their weakest
> arguments while ignoring everything else. That said, however,
> once they completely lose all credibility, they'll eventually
> have to come around and revise their antiquated theories...
I don't think it's generally known yet how out of date and out of step they are. It is moving in this direction though.