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It is more then just clear in Threaded View (irrespective of the fact that you posted one of those previous reply's out of the subthread's sequence) that Cladking's post was in the same subthread as your "millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch" nonsense and he was responding to a message of yours that contained a mentioning of it by myself. How is that sneaking it in other then in your imagination?

As I said before, whenever you forget what we're talking about, just scroll up and refresh your memory. And again, anyone can read the thread above and see where I requested a better photo from you and where you ignored that request and didn't provide one. (And then bizarrely, you started arguing with cladking about things I said.)

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BTW, how about also posting your messages properly.... because just like before this most recent post of yours appears out of order at the very bottom of this thread with now over 190 messages, and again completely out of sequence from where it actually should be.

Just for future reference, but any advice you offer me will be disregarded and ignored. FYI, I guess...

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Certainly they won't all be....... just like we see glacial striation on hardrocks like granite from over 15,000 years ago

What? Because your magic crystal ball told you so?

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(BTW, these were not scratch with diamonds by aliens

What is that? Seventeen times now you've brought up your favorite hobby-horse that no one else is talking about but you? Seriously, don't you feel remotely embarrassed at how poorly you have been representing your fellow Egyptologists around here with this kind of incessant, insane nonsense?

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Not as funny as the laughs from the lack of evidence for advanced rabbit and reindeer farms......... no wonder they went cannibalistic in their fall from grace.

In case you are blissfully unaware, but the domestication of plants and animals is a scientific feat yet to be equaled among modern scientists. Which also means it's evidence for a technologically-advanced civilization in our distant past. Sorry, "Archae"...

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Do you even know what obsidian is...... you do understand that this natural glass remains behind for more than just a few "hundreds of years" in the archeological record... right?

So [expletive deleted] what? Do you actually have a point here?

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Ya, there is more than a lot of ancient unadvanced ceramics around......... so much for being advanced.

Guess what? Modern technology today exists alongside primitive technology from cultures who still live hunter-gatherer lifestyles in the many places outside Western civilization. I mean, HELLO!?!

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So now these advanced ones used just "modern day... steel".... just how advanced was this Co-Magmen civilization anyway?

My apologies, but I've never heard of this "Co-Magmen" civilization before. But please feel free to tell me all about them though...

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BTW, how long do you imagine the statue "The Thinker" will be around if today's people were to just magically disappear too? It's just made of bronze.

I really don't care how long it takes to corrode. But as I told you before, try and stay focused here. Thanks.

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Ya, and 33,000 years of erosion still leaves ancient mines behind to be found........ so much for your above assertion about advanced Co-Magmen mines from 3 times more recent times all conveniently disappearing.

Hmmm, there it is again. That enigmatic "Co-Magmen" people you keep talking about... Seriously, how old are you again? Because I really do have a strict personal policy against getting into serious and/or lengthy debates with teenage boys, specifically ones who think they know everything at their age.

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Because dividing something by 2 times a previous time interval does not equal zero (thus the above 33,000 year old mine)...... unless that something was zero to begin with. All you have is stone blocks and nothing else but a bunch of fringe authors making gross exaggeration/insinuations about them.

There isn't enough data to make that (erroneous) assumption. You'd have to know not only what we've dug up that's survived in the fossil record, but also what's survived but hasn't been discovered yet, as well as the total number of technological artifacts which existed but weren't preserved in the fossil record.

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Garbage dumps

That presupposes the individuals who built G1, G2, and G3 didn't recycle their garbage.

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construction debris

Why would that get buried?

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etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc

You're so transparent it isn't even funny.

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they did not even leave any
Co-Magman droppings around either. Apparently they wiped that all up too.

Seriously?!? I mean, other than the intellectual droppings you've electronically preserved in the internet record, is any of your personal fecal matter currently preserved in the fossil record? If so, how did it get buried underground and what measures did you have to take to prevent the soil from naturally breaking it down? And finally, why exactly were you doing this bizarre, coprophilic experiment in the first place?

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Other then for a start:

"millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch"

and

"core masonry is level on the tops and bottoms of the stone blocks to 0.01 inch"

Not that photo.

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Both are complete nonsenses.......

It's singular. FYI, I guess.

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What specifically can't "no one" evaluate? Did you not actually look closely at the photo above...... it is pretty obvious that the surface is significantly eroded like Emery (1960) states.

Do you need me to spell it out for you? LINKS!?!

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Remember this:

"Here is a(nother) perfect example of your dishonest and misleading strategies designed to take something completely out of context and make it seem like it's something that it's not. For starters, those are *exposed* core blocks. And do you know how they got exposed? By earthquakes. The same earthquakes which dislodged the white limestone facing stones. Hence, those visible gaps were NOT there originally. Not to mention, as any engineer will tell you, if those gaps actually were there at that level, those tolerance errors would have multiplied as blocks were placed further up the pyramid. Hence, it wouldn't have been able to be constructed with that kind of sloppy engineering. Something which is obviously not the case."

Ya, talk about "dishonest and misleading strategies".

Why? Because most of your photos were merely evidence for earthquake damage which removed the limestone facing stones? Not to mention the fact that you couldn't even figure out that your best bet was to provide some photos from Upuaut-2 which actually show un-eroded, un-damaged core masonry? Seriously, it's pretty sad when I actually have to help make your argument for you, don't you think?

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You are not the only one making that "0.01 inch" claim...... it's been around a long time.

It's not a "claim", it's a fact. However, I mistakenly stated that all the stones in the pyramid met this tolerance level, as opposed to just some of them.

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Oh so now when you originally said "millions of 2.5 ton blocks" you actually meant the more than just considerably less volumed "internal masonry" made of Tura limestone (the more expensive stuff that is only there because it can be finely dressed). Ya talk about "changing your tune", from one post to the next, it's like listening to an MP3 player on six-second-shuffle.

Certainly you haven't had your twentieth birthday yet, correct?

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He is talking about Tura casing..... that is not the core masonry made of Giza limestone.

I know. Did I say otherwise in that post?

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Ya..... really advanced for aliens and civilized cavemen, maybe they were just trying to fool us into thinking they were 4th dynasty Egyptians!

Sorry, but none of those photos change anything. Not to mention, one still cannot tell what kind of saw left that saw-mark. But regardless, I'm curious to know why did the Egyptians all of the sudden stop decorating the insides of their monuments with hieroglyphs during the 4th dynasty then (as evidenced by G1, G2, and G3)? And why did they all of the sudden lose the ability to make such massive and advanced monuments in future dynasties? Care to explain that to everyone, "Archae"? Did it have something to do with the enigmatic and mysterious "Co-Magmen" people?

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"several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

There are only few casing stones left on the Great Pyramid......

So? There were approximately 144,000 to begin with. Or do you think the missing casing stones had different tolerances than the surviving ones for some weird reason?

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It is also pretty clear from some of those photos above that there ----> might <---- be a lot of potential blocks considerably less than a ton in that "millions of 2.5 ton blocks". Maybe you should do some more imagining to get a better estimate..... or better yet actually make an effort to go and learn something that is actually real about the GP.

Thanks for even more unintentional humor. Much appreciated.

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It's not a "minor error" it was another example of "grossly exaggerated" fringe nonsenses, and one might expect if it was not stopped here and now it would still be out there being spread with deliberate glee.

Sorry "Archae", but nonsense is singular. As for the rest, I'm not going to dignify that absurdity with a response. No offense, of course...

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According to the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" transcripts diamonds are discussed in the section on Pumapunku and Pyramids...... so let me get this straight...... the "Ancient Aliens" videos are off topic and anything in the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" video that you have either not watched and/or don't want to discuss are all "off-topic" too.... anything else?

Eighteen times now? Seriously, you love beating that dead (hobby) horse don't you??? Because as I said before, nobody made that claim in the video, no matter how hard you want to pretend someone did... But regardless, that's not the issue here, especially since you still have this statement to deal with:

"The crux of the matter is a basic understanding of engineering and mathematics, specifically the ability to quarry, transport, and place millions of 2.5 ton blocks, placing a stone every 5 minutes, day and night, for 20 years, several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

And if you continue to ignore the above, then I'll have to ignore any/all further diversions/obfuscations on your part. Because this never-ending schtick of yours is getting pretty stale already...



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Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 284 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 03:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 317 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 13:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 330 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 300 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 23:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 326 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 335 Bobajot 22-Feb-13 23:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 307 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 23:55
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 319 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 00:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 305 cladking 23-Feb-13 00:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 289 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 282 cladking 23-Feb-13 05:40
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 330 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 01:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 301 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 357 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 12:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 341 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 20:25
Science Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 327 cladking 23-Feb-13 21:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 315 Bobajot 24-Feb-13 02:34
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 315 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 328 Bobajot 26-Feb-13 03:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 266 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 21:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 302 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 21:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 275 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 22:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 311 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 22:18
We would probably be amazed 246 Ratcho 24-Feb-13 00:52
Re: We would probably be amazed 242 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 03:48
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 308 Archae Solenhofen 24-Feb-13 01:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 330 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 02:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 303 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:18
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 289 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 240 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 02:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 321 cladking 20-Feb-13 04:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 353 Thanos5150 22-Feb-13 05:31
I've tried hardened steel chisels 311 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 06:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 283 Susan Doris 22-Feb-13 07:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 316 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 17:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 321 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 05:15
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 313 cladking 23-Feb-13 15:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 174 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 20:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 398 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 313 Susan Doris 24-Feb-13 15:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 329 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 22:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 345 wordsmyth 20-Feb-13 02:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 328 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 03:47
How many swings would it take 344 Ratcho 20-Feb-13 06:29
Re: How many swings would it take 279 Susan Doris 20-Feb-13 17:31
Re: How many swings would it take 320 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:24
If you have the time... 292 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 337 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:14
Re: How many swings would it take 270 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:30
Re: How many swings would it take 350 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 08:39
Re: How many swings would it take 360 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 08:45
Re: How many swings would it take 300 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 17:32
Re: How many swings would it take 312 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:04
Re: How many swings would it take 284 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 19:55
Re: How many swings would it take 291 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:40
I'd still like to know 295 Ratcho 21-Feb-13 22:02
Re: I'd still like to know 328 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:43
Re: I'd still like to know 286 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 23:47
Re: I'd still like to know 295 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:10
Re: I'd still like to know 318 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:11
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 306 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:31
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 334 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 306 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 07:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 305 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 16:42
Re: How many swings would it take 355 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:20
Re: How many swings would it take 254 Susan Doris 21-Feb-13 13:44
Re: How many swings would it take 269 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:09
Re: How many swings would it take 297 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:59
Re: How many swings would it take 316 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 20:06
Re: How many swings would it take 299 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:43
Re: How many swings would it take 298 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:22
Re: How many swings would it take 295 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:30
Re: How many swings would it take 292 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 314 Morten 22-Feb-13 10:52
Re: How many swings would it take 300 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 23:30
Re: How many swings would it take 415 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:55
Mod Note > Off Topic Sub-Thread 196 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Feb-13 00:01
Re: How many swings would it take 302 richarddullum 22-Feb-13 03:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 260 Audrey 13-Feb-13 23:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 315 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 261 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 316 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 325 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 345 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 16:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 291 cladking 14-Feb-13 18:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 315 Thanos5150 20-Jan-13 19:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 251 Workjay 21-Jan-13 02:42
Re: Myth and Truth 292 Thunderbird 20-Jan-13 17:33
Re: Myth and Truth 323 wordsmyth 20-Jan-13 18:34
Re: Myth and Truth 337 cladking 20-Jan-13 22:30
Re: Myth and Truth 352 Glorious 20-Jan-13 23:31
Re: Myth and Truth 318 cladking 21-Jan-13 00:26
Re: Perception 435 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:15
Re: Perception 331 Glorious 21-Jan-13 05:34
Re: Perception 283 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 07:45
Re: Perception 318 loveritas 21-Jan-13 11:32
Re: Change of Perception 341 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 16:20
Re: words/music /NT 244 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:45
Re: words/music /NT 313 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 330 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 297 Workjay 21-Jan-13 17:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 302 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 340 Susan Doris 28-Jan-13 16:29
Who knew? 322 cladking 28-Jan-13 22:07
Re: Who knew? 436 Susan Doris 01-Feb-13 18:25
Re: Who knew? 306 cladking 01-Feb-13 20:42
Egyptology Debunked; they wouldn't know a snake if it bit them. 344 cladking 28-Jan-13 21:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 281 cladking 21-Jan-13 18:16
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 297 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 234 cladking 22-Jan-13 15:39
'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 313 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 331 Workjay 22-Jan-13 16:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 218 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 267 Workjay 22-Jan-13 21:06
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 336 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 14:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 290 Workjay 23-Jan-13 21:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 303 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 21:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 293 Workjay 23-Jan-13 22:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 267 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 268 Workjay 24-Jan-13 02:46
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 233 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 14:33
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 315 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 302 richarddullum 25-Jan-13 01:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 269 Susan Doris 27-Jan-13 13:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 325 Susan Doris 02-Feb-13 14:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 301 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 15:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 280 Workjay 05-Feb-13 17:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 314 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 21:25
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 315 Workjay 06-Feb-13 17:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 299 Ratcho 06-Feb-13 19:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 269 Anomalies 06-Feb-13 21:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 263 Workjay 06-Feb-13 22:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 194 cladking 22-Jan-13 16:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 188 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 190 Workjay 21-Jan-13 16:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 179 carolb 21-Jan-13 17:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 180 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 174 carolb 21-Jan-13 18:05
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 193 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 204 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 185 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 213 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 174 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 199 carolb 21-Jan-13 20:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 180 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 20:27
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 200 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 184 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 160 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 194 Workjay 22-Jan-13 02:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 195 richarddullum 22-Jan-13 14:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 227 Aine 22-Jan-13 14:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 196 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 242 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 244 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 181 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 266 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:23
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 255 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 240 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 04:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 185 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 196 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 14:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 223 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 256 Aine 23-Jan-13 15:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 179 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 243 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 225 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 259 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 205 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 05:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 205 Glorious 25-Jan-13 05:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 244 Susan Doris 25-Jan-13 06:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 183 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 07:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 183 Glorious 25-Jan-13 07:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 169 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 08:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 170 cladking 25-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 191 Susan Doris 23-Jan-13 06:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 208 Glorious 23-Jan-13 07:43
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 252 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 215 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 235 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 193 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 241 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 246 Aine 22-Jan-13 20:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 221 Glorious 22-Jan-13 20:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 189 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 14:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 193 Workjay 22-Jan-13 15:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 208 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 15:41
Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 190 David L 17-Jan-13 17:35
Re: Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 171 Thomas Brophy 03-Mar-13 23:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 124 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 226 Archae Solenhofen 25-Jan-13 03:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 220 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 06:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 279 Thanos5150 25-Jan-13 18:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 208 Sangreal Sea 25-Jan-13 19:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 198 Warwick 11-Feb-13 22:32
The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 181 David L 23-Feb-13 23:41
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 182 Anomalies 25-Feb-13 19:00
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 143 David L 26-Feb-13 01:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 125 LanceHall 23-Mar-13 00:28


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