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It is more then just clear in Threaded View (irrespective of the fact that you posted one of those previous reply's out of the subthread's sequence) that Cladking's post was in the same subthread as your "millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch" nonsense and he was responding to a message of yours that contained a mentioning of it by myself. How is that sneaking it in other then in your imagination?

As I said before, whenever you forget what we're talking about, just scroll up and refresh your memory. And again, anyone can read the thread above and see where I requested a better photo from you and where you ignored that request and didn't provide one. (And then bizarrely, you started arguing with cladking about things I said.)

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BTW, how about also posting your messages properly.... because just like before this most recent post of yours appears out of order at the very bottom of this thread with now over 190 messages, and again completely out of sequence from where it actually should be.

Just for future reference, but any advice you offer me will be disregarded and ignored. FYI, I guess...

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Certainly they won't all be....... just like we see glacial striation on hardrocks like granite from over 15,000 years ago

What? Because your magic crystal ball told you so?

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(BTW, these were not scratch with diamonds by aliens

What is that? Seventeen times now you've brought up your favorite hobby-horse that no one else is talking about but you? Seriously, don't you feel remotely embarrassed at how poorly you have been representing your fellow Egyptologists around here with this kind of incessant, insane nonsense?

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Not as funny as the laughs from the lack of evidence for advanced rabbit and reindeer farms......... no wonder they went cannibalistic in their fall from grace.

In case you are blissfully unaware, but the domestication of plants and animals is a scientific feat yet to be equaled among modern scientists. Which also means it's evidence for a technologically-advanced civilization in our distant past. Sorry, "Archae"...

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Do you even know what obsidian is...... you do understand that this natural glass remains behind for more than just a few "hundreds of years" in the archeological record... right?

So [expletive deleted] what? Do you actually have a point here?

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Ya, there is more than a lot of ancient unadvanced ceramics around......... so much for being advanced.

Guess what? Modern technology today exists alongside primitive technology from cultures who still live hunter-gatherer lifestyles in the many places outside Western civilization. I mean, HELLO!?!

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So now these advanced ones used just "modern day... steel".... just how advanced was this Co-Magmen civilization anyway?

My apologies, but I've never heard of this "Co-Magmen" civilization before. But please feel free to tell me all about them though...

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BTW, how long do you imagine the statue "The Thinker" will be around if today's people were to just magically disappear too? It's just made of bronze.

I really don't care how long it takes to corrode. But as I told you before, try and stay focused here. Thanks.

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Ya, and 33,000 years of erosion still leaves ancient mines behind to be found........ so much for your above assertion about advanced Co-Magmen mines from 3 times more recent times all conveniently disappearing.

Hmmm, there it is again. That enigmatic "Co-Magmen" people you keep talking about... Seriously, how old are you again? Because I really do have a strict personal policy against getting into serious and/or lengthy debates with teenage boys, specifically ones who think they know everything at their age.

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Because dividing something by 2 times a previous time interval does not equal zero (thus the above 33,000 year old mine)...... unless that something was zero to begin with. All you have is stone blocks and nothing else but a bunch of fringe authors making gross exaggeration/insinuations about them.

There isn't enough data to make that (erroneous) assumption. You'd have to know not only what we've dug up that's survived in the fossil record, but also what's survived but hasn't been discovered yet, as well as the total number of technological artifacts which existed but weren't preserved in the fossil record.

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Garbage dumps

That presupposes the individuals who built G1, G2, and G3 didn't recycle their garbage.

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construction debris

Why would that get buried?

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etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc

You're so transparent it isn't even funny.

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they did not even leave any
Co-Magman droppings around either. Apparently they wiped that all up too.

Seriously?!? I mean, other than the intellectual droppings you've electronically preserved in the internet record, is any of your personal fecal matter currently preserved in the fossil record? If so, how did it get buried underground and what measures did you have to take to prevent the soil from naturally breaking it down? And finally, why exactly were you doing this bizarre, coprophilic experiment in the first place?

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Other then for a start:

"millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch"

and

"core masonry is level on the tops and bottoms of the stone blocks to 0.01 inch"

Not that photo.

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Both are complete nonsenses.......

It's singular. FYI, I guess.

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What specifically can't "no one" evaluate? Did you not actually look closely at the photo above...... it is pretty obvious that the surface is significantly eroded like Emery (1960) states.

Do you need me to spell it out for you? LINKS!?!

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Remember this:

"Here is a(nother) perfect example of your dishonest and misleading strategies designed to take something completely out of context and make it seem like it's something that it's not. For starters, those are *exposed* core blocks. And do you know how they got exposed? By earthquakes. The same earthquakes which dislodged the white limestone facing stones. Hence, those visible gaps were NOT there originally. Not to mention, as any engineer will tell you, if those gaps actually were there at that level, those tolerance errors would have multiplied as blocks were placed further up the pyramid. Hence, it wouldn't have been able to be constructed with that kind of sloppy engineering. Something which is obviously not the case."

Ya, talk about "dishonest and misleading strategies".

Why? Because most of your photos were merely evidence for earthquake damage which removed the limestone facing stones? Not to mention the fact that you couldn't even figure out that your best bet was to provide some photos from Upuaut-2 which actually show un-eroded, un-damaged core masonry? Seriously, it's pretty sad when I actually have to help make your argument for you, don't you think?

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You are not the only one making that "0.01 inch" claim...... it's been around a long time.

It's not a "claim", it's a fact. However, I mistakenly stated that all the stones in the pyramid met this tolerance level, as opposed to just some of them.

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Oh so now when you originally said "millions of 2.5 ton blocks" you actually meant the more than just considerably less volumed "internal masonry" made of Tura limestone (the more expensive stuff that is only there because it can be finely dressed). Ya talk about "changing your tune", from one post to the next, it's like listening to an MP3 player on six-second-shuffle.

Certainly you haven't had your twentieth birthday yet, correct?

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He is talking about Tura casing..... that is not the core masonry made of Giza limestone.

I know. Did I say otherwise in that post?

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Ya..... really advanced for aliens and civilized cavemen, maybe they were just trying to fool us into thinking they were 4th dynasty Egyptians!

Sorry, but none of those photos change anything. Not to mention, one still cannot tell what kind of saw left that saw-mark. But regardless, I'm curious to know why did the Egyptians all of the sudden stop decorating the insides of their monuments with hieroglyphs during the 4th dynasty then (as evidenced by G1, G2, and G3)? And why did they all of the sudden lose the ability to make such massive and advanced monuments in future dynasties? Care to explain that to everyone, "Archae"? Did it have something to do with the enigmatic and mysterious "Co-Magmen" people?

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"several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

There are only few casing stones left on the Great Pyramid......

So? There were approximately 144,000 to begin with. Or do you think the missing casing stones had different tolerances than the surviving ones for some weird reason?

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It is also pretty clear from some of those photos above that there ----> might <---- be a lot of potential blocks considerably less than a ton in that "millions of 2.5 ton blocks". Maybe you should do some more imagining to get a better estimate..... or better yet actually make an effort to go and learn something that is actually real about the GP.

Thanks for even more unintentional humor. Much appreciated.

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It's not a "minor error" it was another example of "grossly exaggerated" fringe nonsenses, and one might expect if it was not stopped here and now it would still be out there being spread with deliberate glee.

Sorry "Archae", but nonsense is singular. As for the rest, I'm not going to dignify that absurdity with a response. No offense, of course...

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According to the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" transcripts diamonds are discussed in the section on Pumapunku and Pyramids...... so let me get this straight...... the "Ancient Aliens" videos are off topic and anything in the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" video that you have either not watched and/or don't want to discuss are all "off-topic" too.... anything else?

Eighteen times now? Seriously, you love beating that dead (hobby) horse don't you??? Because as I said before, nobody made that claim in the video, no matter how hard you want to pretend someone did... But regardless, that's not the issue here, especially since you still have this statement to deal with:

"The crux of the matter is a basic understanding of engineering and mathematics, specifically the ability to quarry, transport, and place millions of 2.5 ton blocks, placing a stone every 5 minutes, day and night, for 20 years, several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

And if you continue to ignore the above, then I'll have to ignore any/all further diversions/obfuscations on your part. Because this never-ending schtick of yours is getting pretty stale already...



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Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 272 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 03:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 304 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 13:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 316 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 287 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 23:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 311 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 325 Bobajot 22-Feb-13 23:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 295 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 23:55
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 309 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 00:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 293 cladking 23-Feb-13 00:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 278 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 268 cladking 23-Feb-13 05:40
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 318 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 01:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 291 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 344 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 12:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 332 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 20:25
Science Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 318 cladking 23-Feb-13 21:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 303 Bobajot 24-Feb-13 02:34
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 303 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 318 Bobajot 26-Feb-13 03:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 253 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 21:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 293 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 21:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 270 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 22:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 296 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 22:18
We would probably be amazed 236 Ratcho 24-Feb-13 00:52
Re: We would probably be amazed 234 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 03:48
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 299 Archae Solenhofen 24-Feb-13 01:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 320 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 02:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 291 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:18
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 281 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 228 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 02:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 310 cladking 20-Feb-13 04:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 338 Thanos5150 22-Feb-13 05:31
I've tried hardened steel chisels 300 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 06:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 274 Susan Doris 22-Feb-13 07:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 304 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 17:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 307 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 05:15
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 299 cladking 23-Feb-13 15:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 168 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 20:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 384 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 305 Susan Doris 24-Feb-13 15:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 317 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 22:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 332 wordsmyth 20-Feb-13 02:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 319 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 03:47
How many swings would it take 335 Ratcho 20-Feb-13 06:29
Re: How many swings would it take 268 Susan Doris 20-Feb-13 17:31
Re: How many swings would it take 307 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:24
If you have the time... 280 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 325 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:14
Re: How many swings would it take 261 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:30
Re: How many swings would it take 339 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 08:39
Re: How many swings would it take 343 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 08:45
Re: How many swings would it take 289 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 17:32
Re: How many swings would it take 300 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:04
Re: How many swings would it take 274 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 19:55
Re: How many swings would it take 278 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:40
I'd still like to know 281 Ratcho 21-Feb-13 22:02
Re: I'd still like to know 315 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:43
Re: I'd still like to know 277 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 23:47
Re: I'd still like to know 288 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:10
Re: I'd still like to know 303 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:11
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 291 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:31
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 323 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 295 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 07:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 293 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 16:42
Re: How many swings would it take 343 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:20
Re: How many swings would it take 248 Susan Doris 21-Feb-13 13:44
Re: How many swings would it take 257 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:09
Re: How many swings would it take 282 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:59
Re: How many swings would it take 303 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 20:06
Re: How many swings would it take 283 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:43
Re: How many swings would it take 289 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:22
Re: How many swings would it take 283 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:30
Re: How many swings would it take 282 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 304 Morten 22-Feb-13 10:52
Re: How many swings would it take 280 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 23:30
Re: How many swings would it take 398 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:55
Mod Note > Off Topic Sub-Thread 190 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Feb-13 00:01
Re: How many swings would it take 287 richarddullum 22-Feb-13 03:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 244 Audrey 13-Feb-13 23:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 300 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 250 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 296 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 312 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 332 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 16:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 277 cladking 14-Feb-13 18:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 303 Thanos5150 20-Jan-13 19:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 242 Workjay 21-Jan-13 02:42
Re: Myth and Truth 278 Thunderbird 20-Jan-13 17:33
Re: Myth and Truth 310 wordsmyth 20-Jan-13 18:34
Re: Myth and Truth 324 cladking 20-Jan-13 22:30
Re: Myth and Truth 338 Glorious 20-Jan-13 23:31
Re: Myth and Truth 306 cladking 21-Jan-13 00:26
Re: Perception 421 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:15
Re: Perception 319 Glorious 21-Jan-13 05:34
Re: Perception 278 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 07:45
Re: Perception 307 loveritas 21-Jan-13 11:32
Re: Change of Perception 331 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 16:20
Re: words/music /NT 235 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:45
Re: words/music /NT 302 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 314 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 286 Workjay 21-Jan-13 17:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 291 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 322 Susan Doris 28-Jan-13 16:29
Who knew? 307 cladking 28-Jan-13 22:07
Re: Who knew? 423 Susan Doris 01-Feb-13 18:25
Re: Who knew? 291 cladking 01-Feb-13 20:42
Egyptology Debunked; they wouldn't know a snake if it bit them. 331 cladking 28-Jan-13 21:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 274 cladking 21-Jan-13 18:16
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 287 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 220 cladking 22-Jan-13 15:39
'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 299 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 321 Workjay 22-Jan-13 16:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 202 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 255 Workjay 22-Jan-13 21:06
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 323 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 14:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 276 Workjay 23-Jan-13 21:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 291 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 21:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 284 Workjay 23-Jan-13 22:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 250 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 258 Workjay 24-Jan-13 02:46
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 221 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 14:33
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 306 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 286 richarddullum 25-Jan-13 01:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 254 Susan Doris 27-Jan-13 13:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 312 Susan Doris 02-Feb-13 14:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 279 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 15:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 268 Workjay 05-Feb-13 17:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 300 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 21:25
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 302 Workjay 06-Feb-13 17:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 286 Ratcho 06-Feb-13 19:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 256 Anomalies 06-Feb-13 21:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 252 Workjay 06-Feb-13 22:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 177 cladking 22-Jan-13 16:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 173 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 177 Workjay 21-Jan-13 16:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 169 carolb 21-Jan-13 17:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 168 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 153 carolb 21-Jan-13 18:05
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 177 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 184 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 172 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 196 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 159 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 182 carolb 21-Jan-13 20:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 164 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 20:27
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 187 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 167 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 149 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 181 Workjay 22-Jan-13 02:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 183 richarddullum 22-Jan-13 14:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 215 Aine 22-Jan-13 14:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 179 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 228 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 236 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 163 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 254 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:23
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 242 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 227 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 04:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 170 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 184 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 14:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 206 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 243 Aine 23-Jan-13 15:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 165 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 232 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 212 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 243 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 186 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 05:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 186 Glorious 25-Jan-13 05:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 230 Susan Doris 25-Jan-13 06:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 172 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 07:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 168 Glorious 25-Jan-13 07:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 153 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 08:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 159 cladking 25-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 177 Susan Doris 23-Jan-13 06:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 194 Glorious 23-Jan-13 07:43
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 240 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 200 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 221 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 178 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 232 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 232 Aine 22-Jan-13 20:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 207 Glorious 22-Jan-13 20:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 174 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 14:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 177 Workjay 22-Jan-13 15:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 189 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 15:41
Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 175 David L 17-Jan-13 17:35
Re: Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 157 Thomas Brophy 03-Mar-13 23:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 115 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 214 Archae Solenhofen 25-Jan-13 03:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 201 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 06:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 265 Thanos5150 25-Jan-13 18:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 195 Sangreal Sea 25-Jan-13 19:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 180 Warwick 11-Feb-13 22:32
The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 168 David L 23-Feb-13 23:41
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 167 Anomalies 25-Feb-13 19:00
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 130 David L 26-Feb-13 01:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 116 LanceHall 23-Mar-13 00:28


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