Enlighten us why exactly would a piece of quartz stuck on the end of a toothpick not cut granite? Remember, the fringe/UFO video clamed that granite can only be scratched with diamond.
Other than being both a convenient strawman and a moot point, what you mean to say is that said claim was made by Von Daniken, which you have dishonestly applied to all Ancient Alien proponents in an obvious attempt to bolster the anemic theories of the orthodox Egyptologists which you have been blindly parroting for the last ten years or so.
It shows one thing.... numerous other simple tools within the known technological level of the ancient Egyptians can cut rock..... contrary to numerous fringe claims about such stating otherwise.
No, it doesn't. It focuses on trivial things and ignores the bigger picture. Not only that, it shows the all-too-common tendency of orthodox Egyptologists discovering artifacts from a lesser era of technological development and then incorrectly applying them to the entire history of Egypt, ignoring the inevitable rises and falls in technology over thousands of years which have occurred with every other known civilization.
Here is a core from a hole..... enlighten us as to why this is not the result of a simple hand powered tube drill? Remember, this is the one numerous fringe authors have asserted is evidence of advance technology greater than our own.
I would think that someone like you who enjoys pretending to be a geologist (albeit anonymously) would know that the famed core #7 requires at least 10 x magnification, the correct tools, and some expertise in that field in order to be properly evaluated. (Not to mention the fact that to the untrained eye, there only appears to be one helical groove, whereas there are actually two, which is important for determining the rate at which the drill bored the hole.) That said, however, I am persuaded by the arguments of Petrie and Dunn, both engineers who have determined that it could not have been made by a hand drill. But feel free to give me a link to a video of you showing everyone how to produce a similar granite core with your home-made hand-drill. (Again, I won't hold my breath.)
I assume here, at the very least, none of them have ever seen a modern drill core before.
Why would anyone assume that engineers, like Dunn for example, have never seen a modern drill core before?
QuoteYes, for most..... do you think fringe authors promoting Old-timer Aliens and other Lost Advanced Ones from Atlantis know what they are talking about?Quote
Secondly, do you actually think anyone really, honestly thinks
>the academic community knows what the [Moderator edit] they are talking about
Well then, let's just say you don't have your finger on the pulse of most of the internet. Because at least the above individuals take the ancient mythic histories seriously, as opposed to modern academia who have repeatedly been proven wrong about their dismissal of various myths, including the "myth" of Troy, something which scholars said was a figment of Homer's fertile imagination until someone outside the academic community went out and dug it up, exactly where Homer said it was. Not to mention the "mythical" Minoans who academia said didn't exist, but was later excavated by the same guy and his team mentioned above. Not to mention the "mythical" Indus-Sarasvati civilization who scholars said didn't exist until recently. Not a very impressive track record, don't you think? And yet, here we are again, the ancients recording that an advanced culture established their civilization, something which academics ignore at their own peril (surprise, surprise). A civilization, I might add, that is littered with engineering masterpieces, to which academics insult with their absurd, *unproven* hogwash about being constructed with "simple technology"...
Other then for fringe claims stating otherwise.
More red herrings and strawmen. Same old, same old...
They have.... that is why I suggested reading Stocks (2003) for a starter.
So what....... where have fringe authors tested any of their advanced technology claims and demonstrated them to be even remotely valid?
So let me see if I got this straight: You are asking for the Ancient Alien proponents to demonstrate their claims of advanced technology with futuristic machines, like anti-gravity and sonic levitation devices, that obviously don't exist yet? Are you [Moderator Edit] kidding me? Seriously, is this the best argument you can come up with here?
Since when did Dr. Schoch come up with his "water erosion" notion all on his own...... did he not originally get it from Mr. West, who read about it in Lubicz (1982) or whatever? Was not Mr. West one of those claiming 100s of 200+ ton blocks in Khafre's valley temple that modern cranes would find extremely difficult if not impossible to move? Do i need to remind you that they don't actually exist.
"Or whatever"? Are you sure about that? And why are you trying to change the subject to something no one was talking about?
You don't need a magnifing glass to see the gaps in the joints all over the exposed core masonry in those 2 photos. Were are all these 2.5 million blocks worth of the 0.01" tolerances you were going all on about?
Here is a(nother) perfect example of your dishonest and misleading strategies designed to take something completely out of context and make it seem like it's something that it's not. For starters, those are *exposed* core blocks. And do you know how they got exposed? By earthquakes. The same earthquakes which dislodged the white limestone facing stones. Hence, those visible gaps were NOT there originally. Not to mention, as any engineer will tell you, if those gaps actually were there at that level, those tolerance errors would have multiplied as blocks were placed further up the pyramid. Hence, it wouldn't have been able to be constructed with that kind of sloppy engineering. Something which is obviously not the case.
But nice try, anyway.
Good work inadvertently implying everyone who claims exaggerated block sizes are liars including all fringe authors who claimed such to a more than just an extraordinary extent.
Can you try and reword the above so that it makes some semblance of sense, apparently whenever you sober up. Thanks in advance!
But seriously, I repeat: Why should anyone take an anonymous person, who is hiding behind a fake name and whose age/expertise is completely unknown, seriously about any of these topics? Someone who professes certainty that it was done with "simple technology", despite the obvious fact such certainty is clearly lacking? Someone who can barely manage to make a credible case for their position STRICTLY arguing against the most far-out claims of the Ancient Alien proponents? Please, enlighten me...
BTW, care to enlighten us all about what the Russians were lying about in this case?
As anyone can tell from the pictures I posted in that other thread, the cute, little Thunderstone is not remotely close to being the same size as the Stone of the Pregnant Mother, as granite and limestone have basically the same average densities. Sorry.
Nope..... I have never actually seen the video you're going on about or known about it's existence until it was mentioned here.
Then why are we having this (so-called) "debate"? Looking to redeem yourself after our exchange in that other thread perhaps?
Because it's simple, it works, and ancient Egyptians were sticklers for useful old technology, which is why flint knapping and stone maul percussion was still used during the 18th dynasty.
Thanks for the laughs. (Again.)
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