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cladking wrote:
> > Cool, really handy piece of info. Any date on the existence
> of
> > those 2 lakes? Clearly they could not coexist so this was
> > during the lifetime of the pyramid construction. According
> the
> > Steven Myers the lakes were at every level, so this would
> make
> > no sense unless they stopped at those two stages.
>
> I doubt Steven Myers is correct. Some aspects probably but the
> truth will not look a lot like his theory, I believe.
>
> The C14 dating of G1 is a mess and probably the result of
> sample error and very bad luck. It needs to be redone. The
> high lake can be seen in the white area near the center of
> this photo;
>
> [hdbui.blogspot.com]
>
That white area is not big enough for the summit lake in stage 3. The middle green square is about the right size imo. Well if it covered the whole summit, if I designed it I would split it into certain areas, but thats just me.
> When these lakes appeared is dependent on how it was done and
> they quit gathering this evidence over a quarter century ago so
> all we can do is speculate. I assume you are aware that the
> C14 evidence matches your theory of a staged build since the
> spread in dates is enormous and older dates are at top? If the
> data are correct it lends lot of weight to a multi century
> build. I tend to ascribe it to happenstance and a test very
> much in need of being repeated. Orthodoxy has some nonsense
> about "old wood".
>
I wasn't aware of the dating be out of sync with the theoretical age of the pyramid. I know the boat has dating issues, but not the structure itself. The orthodoxy always has some excuse that can squeeze their current ideas on to any new piece of evidence.
> I believe that the two "Lakes of the Jackal" were used
> simultaneously during construction with one at 70' and the
> other at 140'. These both got smaller as they approached their
> ultimate height and became the so called kings and queens
> chambers. The queen's chamber was much too small to hold much
> water at night at the 70' mark so it was shuttled up to the
> huge upper lake of the jackal for use in the morning.
>
That is very much in line with my model. They stored the water there and then let it run down when appropriate. west in the evening, east in the morning.
> It's not quite as simple as it might sound though because
> apparently they were also lifting water on the exterior N and W
> sides. It was lifted to ~110' at the entrance, 140' by the NW
> corner, and 160' 6" (twice the height of heaven) at the SW
> corner. This might indicate some kind of failure with the GG
> system or water supply before completion. There are other
> hints that something happened to water supply during
> construction (set swallowed the eye of horus?). It is quite
> possible the delivery system failed and it was impossible to
> get water to the structure which caught it (mehet weret) so
> they began lifting it from near ground level on the exterior to
> finish construction. There certainly is plenty of legend to
> support this. Water sprayed out of the eye of horus and it was
> highly corrosive leaving open the possibility of structural
> collapse of the upper eye especially and the lower eye as well.
> They would call this collapse the swallowing of the eye of
> horus by the ground water called "set". There is some evidence
> of just such a collapse on the north side 35' east of the
> entrance where an enormous fissure exists.
>
The slightly acidic water would slowly dissolve some of the stone if it got to it. This might lead to a collapse. I would suspect these would be the points where the weir released the water rather than the exits of the shafts.
> I avoid all this kind of speculation because anything under a
> 99% probability should normally be held at arms lenght in my
> opinion. I can be wrong even when I'm 99% sure so why allow
> even lower probabilities to affect how I see the evidence?
> When one builds a model in his mind there are always parts that
> are less well attached so one needs to always seek more
> evidence. This is how mankind lifted himself from the caves
> and some of our current trends can lead us right back where we
> started. Fear of knowledge and belief in our omniscience are
> the most dangerous superstitions today and they seem to be
> getting more and more common and widespread. People can't
> handle the truth any longer. They are afraid of the facts, and
> most especially, new facts.
>
I might be guilty of looking for things that fit my model too, everyone does it, mainstream or alts, its the nature of the history game. Its why I prefer the tech side which either works or does not. As long as we don't get too attached and can change our minds in the event there is a better explanation, we won't be as guilty as the orthodoxy. Speculate as much as you like, somehow u keep pulling out texts that I really appreciate :)
Regards
Chris
> > Cool, really handy piece of info. Any date on the existence
> of
> > those 2 lakes? Clearly they could not coexist so this was
> > during the lifetime of the pyramid construction. According
> the
> > Steven Myers the lakes were at every level, so this would
> make
> > no sense unless they stopped at those two stages.
>
> I doubt Steven Myers is correct. Some aspects probably but the
> truth will not look a lot like his theory, I believe.
>
> The C14 dating of G1 is a mess and probably the result of
> sample error and very bad luck. It needs to be redone. The
> high lake can be seen in the white area near the center of
> this photo;
>
> [hdbui.blogspot.com]
>
That white area is not big enough for the summit lake in stage 3. The middle green square is about the right size imo. Well if it covered the whole summit, if I designed it I would split it into certain areas, but thats just me.
> When these lakes appeared is dependent on how it was done and
> they quit gathering this evidence over a quarter century ago so
> all we can do is speculate. I assume you are aware that the
> C14 evidence matches your theory of a staged build since the
> spread in dates is enormous and older dates are at top? If the
> data are correct it lends lot of weight to a multi century
> build. I tend to ascribe it to happenstance and a test very
> much in need of being repeated. Orthodoxy has some nonsense
> about "old wood".
>
I wasn't aware of the dating be out of sync with the theoretical age of the pyramid. I know the boat has dating issues, but not the structure itself. The orthodoxy always has some excuse that can squeeze their current ideas on to any new piece of evidence.
> I believe that the two "Lakes of the Jackal" were used
> simultaneously during construction with one at 70' and the
> other at 140'. These both got smaller as they approached their
> ultimate height and became the so called kings and queens
> chambers. The queen's chamber was much too small to hold much
> water at night at the 70' mark so it was shuttled up to the
> huge upper lake of the jackal for use in the morning.
>
That is very much in line with my model. They stored the water there and then let it run down when appropriate. west in the evening, east in the morning.
> It's not quite as simple as it might sound though because
> apparently they were also lifting water on the exterior N and W
> sides. It was lifted to ~110' at the entrance, 140' by the NW
> corner, and 160' 6" (twice the height of heaven) at the SW
> corner. This might indicate some kind of failure with the GG
> system or water supply before completion. There are other
> hints that something happened to water supply during
> construction (set swallowed the eye of horus?). It is quite
> possible the delivery system failed and it was impossible to
> get water to the structure which caught it (mehet weret) so
> they began lifting it from near ground level on the exterior to
> finish construction. There certainly is plenty of legend to
> support this. Water sprayed out of the eye of horus and it was
> highly corrosive leaving open the possibility of structural
> collapse of the upper eye especially and the lower eye as well.
> They would call this collapse the swallowing of the eye of
> horus by the ground water called "set". There is some evidence
> of just such a collapse on the north side 35' east of the
> entrance where an enormous fissure exists.
>
The slightly acidic water would slowly dissolve some of the stone if it got to it. This might lead to a collapse. I would suspect these would be the points where the weir released the water rather than the exits of the shafts.
> I avoid all this kind of speculation because anything under a
> 99% probability should normally be held at arms lenght in my
> opinion. I can be wrong even when I'm 99% sure so why allow
> even lower probabilities to affect how I see the evidence?
> When one builds a model in his mind there are always parts that
> are less well attached so one needs to always seek more
> evidence. This is how mankind lifted himself from the caves
> and some of our current trends can lead us right back where we
> started. Fear of knowledge and belief in our omniscience are
> the most dangerous superstitions today and they seem to be
> getting more and more common and widespread. People can't
> handle the truth any longer. They are afraid of the facts, and
> most especially, new facts.
>
I might be guilty of looking for things that fit my model too, everyone does it, mainstream or alts, its the nature of the history game. Its why I prefer the tech side which either works or does not. As long as we don't get too attached and can change our minds in the event there is a better explanation, we won't be as guilty as the orthodoxy. Speculate as much as you like, somehow u keep pulling out texts that I really appreciate :)
Regards
Chris
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