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drew Wrote:
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> Hmmm...okay, so you have the 'geyser', veils,
> water, rainbow and colours, Isis lifting Osiris,
> and Horus the Elder and Younger possibly residing
> below the horizon of west and east.
Yes, exactly. But remember everything about ancient ideas in context specific. From our perspective horus the younger exists only below the western horizon until isis gives him birth "as the king, as the pyramid".
> You have a ladder enabling the Pharaoh to rise
> into the heavens; a boat the Pharaoh travels upon
> to get next to the Gods, and then alight to Their
> boat of millions of years; and arcs in the sky
> that would have to mean the journeys of the stars
> across the sky,...
Yes, again except arcs of the sky are at least in some instances rainbows, mks-sceptre bows, or moon bows.
It's all context.
> as well as the Sun and Moon and
> planets; and then some of these would have to
> translate to the horizon itself and where the Sun,
> moon, stars and planets are found at rise and set
> at different times of the year, especially those
> defined as Isis and Osiris...
Yes, but isis and osiris are only loosely tied to such things in some perspectives. Generally isis is the potentiality for lifting stones and osiris is the means but it always depends on context and perspective.
> ...but not necessarily
> Horus, as Horus may be the glow of light below the
> horizon before sunrise and after sunset...which
> may depict the Elder and Younger, or maybe depict
> the Elder as one moment in time and the Younger as
> another moment in time.
All probably true from some perspective.
> Could the potential of the Elder and Younger be
> tied in with the statement about the times when
> the Sun rose in the west and set in the east a
> couple of times - which kind of leans towards
> Precession and where the background stars are that
> the Sun is in front of...further leading towards
> the Ages of (various astronomical signs) Taurus,
> Pisces, etc.
I don't know why it couldn't be possible if the sun rose in the west. I am dubious such an event actually happened based on my estimation of the implied damage to the planet.
> Could the 'geyser', water, veil etc indicate the
> Milky Way itself as being the almighty river
> flowing through the heavens, which is why the Gods
> ride a boat, and why the Pharaoh needs a boat to
> get there?
I could certainly misunderstand the writing but if I do then my belief of the answer to this question is irrelevant.
If I'm generally correct then it's entirely possible that from some perspective they compared these things linguistically. There's no writing that leaps out to suggest they might think this way. There are no words to my knowledge that imply this association existed. However, my only source is a silly little book of rituals they'd have been ashamed to leave as their only legacy. One wouldn't expect such thinking to exist in this source.
I take your point though that the whole civilization was "wet" and they compared all things to animal anatomy and parts of boats.
> In this way, I see a better description for
> Isis/Aset/Sirius residing on one side of the
> river, and Osiris/Auser/Canopus residing on the
> other side of the river...and during a period of
> Precession, Isis lifts Osiris up from the depths
> to peek above the horizon for a period of time
> from the vantage point of the northern hemisphere,
> and then returns again for many thousands of years
> before repeating the journey.
That they knew such things seems apparent but we will have to deduce how they knew.
> Hmmm...but then we have a wonder occurring when
> Osiris does this, because being in the same realm
> as Isis - above the horizon - means Horus can be
> conceived by His parents.
"
> Could there be a special location which has water,
> and therefore a possible 'geyser' and certainly a
> rainbow, where ritual was performed to welcome
> Horus into being where He existed for a thousand
> or so years while Canopus was above the horizon,
> and therefore separates Him as Elder and Younger
> because He has appeared more than once?
Exactly and they wrote about it everywhere. It was the primeval mound adorned with sky arcs and osiris standing in the eye of horus. It was the stacking of horus the youngers that became the king himself that lasted for thousands of years. It is the younger who exists in tayet that became the instrument of ascension by means isis (the stone from the quarry was stacked by funiculars)(osiris tows the earth by means of balance).
> At other times of His existence, He is but the
> potential or 'glow' below the horizon, waiting for
> Osiris' return and therefore His own rebirth...
"
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> Hmmm...okay, so you have the 'geyser', veils,
> water, rainbow and colours, Isis lifting Osiris,
> and Horus the Elder and Younger possibly residing
> below the horizon of west and east.
Yes, exactly. But remember everything about ancient ideas in context specific. From our perspective horus the younger exists only below the western horizon until isis gives him birth "as the king, as the pyramid".
> You have a ladder enabling the Pharaoh to rise
> into the heavens; a boat the Pharaoh travels upon
> to get next to the Gods, and then alight to Their
> boat of millions of years; and arcs in the sky
> that would have to mean the journeys of the stars
> across the sky,...
Yes, again except arcs of the sky are at least in some instances rainbows, mks-sceptre bows, or moon bows.
It's all context.
> as well as the Sun and Moon and
> planets; and then some of these would have to
> translate to the horizon itself and where the Sun,
> moon, stars and planets are found at rise and set
> at different times of the year, especially those
> defined as Isis and Osiris...
Yes, but isis and osiris are only loosely tied to such things in some perspectives. Generally isis is the potentiality for lifting stones and osiris is the means but it always depends on context and perspective.
> ...but not necessarily
> Horus, as Horus may be the glow of light below the
> horizon before sunrise and after sunset...which
> may depict the Elder and Younger, or maybe depict
> the Elder as one moment in time and the Younger as
> another moment in time.
All probably true from some perspective.
> Could the potential of the Elder and Younger be
> tied in with the statement about the times when
> the Sun rose in the west and set in the east a
> couple of times - which kind of leans towards
> Precession and where the background stars are that
> the Sun is in front of...further leading towards
> the Ages of (various astronomical signs) Taurus,
> Pisces, etc.
I don't know why it couldn't be possible if the sun rose in the west. I am dubious such an event actually happened based on my estimation of the implied damage to the planet.
> Could the 'geyser', water, veil etc indicate the
> Milky Way itself as being the almighty river
> flowing through the heavens, which is why the Gods
> ride a boat, and why the Pharaoh needs a boat to
> get there?
I could certainly misunderstand the writing but if I do then my belief of the answer to this question is irrelevant.
If I'm generally correct then it's entirely possible that from some perspective they compared these things linguistically. There's no writing that leaps out to suggest they might think this way. There are no words to my knowledge that imply this association existed. However, my only source is a silly little book of rituals they'd have been ashamed to leave as their only legacy. One wouldn't expect such thinking to exist in this source.
I take your point though that the whole civilization was "wet" and they compared all things to animal anatomy and parts of boats.
> In this way, I see a better description for
> Isis/Aset/Sirius residing on one side of the
> river, and Osiris/Auser/Canopus residing on the
> other side of the river...and during a period of
> Precession, Isis lifts Osiris up from the depths
> to peek above the horizon for a period of time
> from the vantage point of the northern hemisphere,
> and then returns again for many thousands of years
> before repeating the journey.
That they knew such things seems apparent but we will have to deduce how they knew.
> Hmmm...but then we have a wonder occurring when
> Osiris does this, because being in the same realm
> as Isis - above the horizon - means Horus can be
> conceived by His parents.
"
> Could there be a special location which has water,
> and therefore a possible 'geyser' and certainly a
> rainbow, where ritual was performed to welcome
> Horus into being where He existed for a thousand
> or so years while Canopus was above the horizon,
> and therefore separates Him as Elder and Younger
> because He has appeared more than once?
Exactly and they wrote about it everywhere. It was the primeval mound adorned with sky arcs and osiris standing in the eye of horus. It was the stacking of horus the youngers that became the king himself that lasted for thousands of years. It is the younger who exists in tayet that became the instrument of ascension by means isis (the stone from the quarry was stacked by funiculars)(osiris tows the earth by means of balance).
> At other times of His existence, He is but the
> potential or 'glow' below the horizon, waiting for
> Osiris' return and therefore His own rebirth...
"
Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
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