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It is indeed unfortunate that this thread has devolved into such acrimonious exchanges and I hesitate to add to it by posting this. However, the Tayos Metal Library engaged my interest several years ago and I spent an inordinate amount of time reading everything that was available on the subject, with the notable exception of Von Daniken's "Gold of the Gods". Primarily, this was due to having read the more recent material first and by that point reading "Gold of the Gods" seemed superfluous. As many of those who have followed Von Daniken's exploits know, a televised program devoted to "Gold of the Gods" proved to be the author's undoing when a member of the audience asked him point blank if he had personally entered the Tayos Cave and retrieved the gold object which he had been touting as an artifact from that location. When Von Daniken replied in the affirmative, the audience member proceeded to demonstrate that he, in fact, had not. Von Daniken later admitted in private conversation with a personal friend of mine that it was one of the greatest errors he had made in his career, though he maintained the veracity of everything else he had written in that book. I am relating this not out of any personal malice toward Von Daniken but as some background for what I will quote later in this post.

As with many sites and topics we discuss on these boards, the events, real or imagined surrounding this discovery would provide material for a great conspiracy novel, perhaps several. I very much wanted this one to pan out as it seemed to be on the verge of providing us with a real smoking gun in terms of a Lost Civilization; at long length I have concluded that it has not. As some of you know, Stan Hall, who maintained a website devoted to the Metal Library passed away some years ago and the last time I checked there was a note to that effect where my bookmark once led. In following all leads back in the early days my first great disappointment was to learn that the much touted astronaut visit had not penetrated to the "Metal Library" and that the expedition's findings were inconclusive at the very best. As years passed and Stan Hall together with the other key players failed to produce tangible verifiable evidence, my enthusiasm began to wane. However, that enthusiasm was occasionally rekindled by some new South American discovery which seemed to substantiate certain elements in the Tayos Cave story, such as our recent discussions and presentations of vitrified precolumbian architecture in neighboring countries. Stan Hall had mentioned similar vitrified stone features in the "Library" and a vitrified map from the Urals made waves here some years back. On the other hand some of the elements from the Tayos Library had bad connotations of the spurious Burrows Cave.

At one point, Stan Grist, a treasure hunter/explorer and resident of Ecuador who had searched for the Tayos Metal Library for more than two decades appeared on another discussion board of which I've been a member since its inception about a decade ago. Stan's stated opinion of Mr. Von Daniken is considerably harsher than my own and I do not wish to offend any of that author's admirers here by repeating them. Again, do not mistake this for Von Daniken bashing or debunking. I merely wish to present the perspective of someone who has examined the area first hand and interviewed some of the key players. The following is a direct quote addressed to members of another discussion group and if it violates any GHMB rules or protocols the moderators may feel free to delete this post with my blessings.

STAN GRIST:
Actually, it was Petronio Jaramillo who originally invented an adventure novel
about the Tayos Cave with his first wife. I video taped a 2-hour interview with
her where she went into great detail for me about how the novel was conceived
and written. Petronio did the talking and she did the writing.

Somehow, when Petronio was introduced to Juan Moricz (late 60's), the novel then
became a reality story. Stan Hall dealt directly with this topic in his book,
"Tayos Gold". From this point, with all that I have investigated over 25 years,
Juan Moricz turned the fantasy story into a declaration that HE had actually and
literally discovered the cave with Petronio's fictitious metallic library and
all. It greatly pains me to think that Juan lied about this "ancient tunnel"
story, but I have never been able to arrive at any other conclusion, as hard as
I have tried.

Juan Moricz was an amazing investigator and uncovered pieces of history that are
invaluable. Too bad he did not share more of his discoveries with the world. His
assistant of 15 years, Zoltan Czellar, became like a second father to me after
Juan's passing. I have great respect for what those guys were able to do in
their time together. More to come later...

However, it was Erich von Daniken who really took the cake after this. He was
the only one who made some serious cash from this fantasy story. His book was
one of the main reasons I came to live in Ecuador many years ago.

With all this said, let us continue to investigate with passion and integrity. I
am sure that there are extremely important things to discover that will help to
tell the truth of South America'a ancient history.

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Earlier comments from Stan Grist:
Sorry Lads,
> >
> > When it comes to metallic libraries in Ecuador, so far, Petronio Jaramillo
> > made it all up well before Juan Moricz appeared on the scene in the 1960's.
> > Then came along the greatest liar of them all, Erich Von Daniken, to spread
> > the falsehoods in his book, Gold of the Gods. I listened to Juan Moricz
> > rant and rave about his hatred of Erich for many hours in the early 1980's.
> >
> > I've interviewed all of the players in this story for the last 25 years.
> > Did you know there was a professional Japanese Tayos expedition in the
> > 90's? They penetrated 15 kilometers into the cave!
> >
> > I've been in the main Tayos Cave, and also in Stanley Hall's Tayos Cave on
> > the Pastaza River (Tayos Gold). I have it all on video. I know all of the
> > Shuar Natives who live near both caves. I have questioned them extensively.
> >
> > As much as I would love the "metallic library" story to be true, it simply
> > is not. That said, I do agree with Mike about the ancient and largely
> > unknown history of Ecuador. There is still much to be discovered here.
> >
> > Two months ago, we conducted an expedition into an area just north of
> > Cajas National Park on private property. It took 8 hours to arrive on
> > horseback. We were escorted to this archaeological site by the property
> > owner. It turned out to be a very large and remote "lost city" (one of the
> > first phases of the Canari culture). The site is approximately 5 times
> > larger than Ingapirca. There were five caves on this property. Each cave
> > contained abundant quantities of ceramic archaeological material.
> >
> > These lost and remote sites are out there and I will continue to
> > investigate each and every one that comes to my attention. Like most of
> > you, I seek to understand the great ancient mysteries of South America.
> >
> > Stan Grist
> > www.Adventure-Trader.com
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Needless to say there is much much more to read online by anyone with the diligence to search for it. Personally, I have discarded the Tayos Metal Library from the list of Ancient Mysteries worthy of consideration but I am in no way discouraging those inclined to do so.
Yours truly,
David Campbell

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Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 296 brucenyc1 24-Jul-12 02:07
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 163 Poster Boy 24-Jul-12 02:11
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Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 141 brucenyc1 24-Jul-12 03:16
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 119 Poster Boy 24-Jul-12 03:37
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Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 138 Anomalies 24-Jul-12 14:36
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 108 brucenyc1 24-Jul-12 15:34
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 127 carolb 24-Jul-12 16:36
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 133 Anomalies 24-Jul-12 18:27
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 127 carolb 24-Jul-12 18:37
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 103 Anomalies 24-Jul-12 18:42
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 134 Nejc 25-Jul-12 00:16
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 137 Aine 24-Jul-12 19:20
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 134 michael seabrook 24-Jul-12 20:10
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 143 drrayeye 25-Jul-12 00:21
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 129 carolb 25-Jul-12 01:21
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 110 drrayeye 25-Jul-12 05:41
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 108 brucenyc1 25-Jul-12 20:30
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 146 drrayeye 25-Jul-12 21:52
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 148 brucenyc1 24-Jul-12 03:26
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 145 Poster Boy 24-Jul-12 03:39
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 124 David Campbell 05-Aug-12 17:53
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 121 Anomalies 24-Jul-12 14:41
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 107 Nejc 24-Jul-12 15:01
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 139 NetWorkAngel 24-Jul-12 16:39
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Validation 137 Deep1 25-Jul-12 22:52
Re: Validation 116 carolb 25-Jul-12 23:15
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Re: Validation 132 brucenyc1 26-Jul-12 03:22
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 129 nodal3 26-Jul-12 03:11
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 129 Sterling 26-Jul-12 12:46
I am amazed that... 119 drew 27-Jul-12 02:41
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 1855 David Campbell 05-Aug-12 02:59
Re: Legendary Metal Library Found in Tayos Cave in Ecuador? 156 brucenyc1 05-Aug-12 05:30


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