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Titus Livius wrote:

> Hi charly
>
> I also mention in a recent thread that the Great Pyramids are a
> obsession for most of the alternative authors. It seems that
> the other pyramids didn't exist or didn't deserve any kind of
> interest, and this is a clear bias in my opinion, unless we
> could state with certainty that some pyramids were not
> "egyptian".
>
> Anyway, the explanation you offer about the GPs is also a
> speculation. Obviously, their size could have fostered the
> interest of robbers or travellers, but the only big object that
> has survived in our days is the so-called sarcophagus (apart
> from other little objects found in the shafts). We don't know
> whether there were other artifacts, human remains, statues,
> etc. in ancient times inside the pyramid.

Since the blocking stones and porticuli were put in place it's logical to assume a burial took place.

> We don't know who
> "stole" the objects, neither how nor when.

Agreed, could be FIP and if not most probably in the SIP.

> And you know well
> that Herodotus mentioned that the tomb of Khufu was not inside
> the pyramid. (Well, is Herodotus a scientific reliable source?)

Herodotus isn't a reliable source and neither is the al-Mamun story of course.

> The arguments which support the idea of pyramids as tombs are a
> chain of assumptions with little physical proof, although they
> are based on logical thinking and previous evidence, according
> to the current knowledge of Egyptology. The burial traditions
> are indeed a meaningful point on this issue. But there is still
> another possibility: the second use; i.e. pyramids might have
> had a funeral function not as a primary intended purpose but as
> a secondary purpose, a sort of later "intrusion".

The sarcophagus of G1 was placed in the chamber during construction, certainly no later addition.

> And we should
> also consider other scenarios as the cenotaphs, or the
> restoration burials, as you mention, but we are still moving in
> the speculative field.

I wrote this on cenothaps once in another thread:
<[www.grahamhancock.com];

> We really don't know why Seneferu built
> three large pyramids for just one body, unless we consider that
> he decided to make massive "experiments" with the earlier
> pyramids before building the intended tomb.

Better question would be: Why did he want a "true" pyramid at all costs? Apparantly a step pyramid wasn't good enough any more. This resulted in the Bent pyramid (failed attempt), the conversion of the Medum step pyramid into a true pyramid (as back-up?) and the Red pyramid where the architects "played safe" regarding the angle of the slopes.

The only king that considered building a step pyramid again (for himself)was Neferirkare, the plan of the pyramid was altered 5 times! Apparantly he coudn't make up his mind since the plan switched between true and step pyramid several times. Due to the delays there was no causway when he died and his successor "stole" his valey temple for his own use!

> Regarding the robbers theory, some time ago I saw a TV
> documentary where two American egyptologists claimed that the
> ritual texts written on the walls of some pyramids (the famous
> pyramid texts, from V to VIII dynasty) were a conceptual
> solution for the robbers. Since the priests realized that a
> huge mass of stone was not able to protect the pharao's mummy
> and his treasures, they decided to use magic as a spiritual
> deterrent factor to keep the thieves away. Nice theory, but
> once more a speculation.

I read about a theory (by Miroslav Barta) that explains the PT as a means to differentiate from the tombs of the high officials who copied more and more elements of the royal funerary complex into their mastaba's.

> Regards,
> TL

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