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MJT wrote:

> That the pyramids were plundered by tomb robbers is perfectly
> plausible, but it is not proven in most cases.
> Consequently, I consider it equally plausible that some, if not
> all, of the pyramids were cenotaphs and not actual tombs.
> As to where a pyramid-as-a-cenotaph’s king or pharaoh was
> actually interred is another matter.

The south-tombs in the funerary complexes of Djoser and Sekhemkhet could be considerer as "cenotaphs". They consist of a mastaba superstructure and a miniature version of the subterran corridors and chambers under the pyramids. No sarcophagi though.

In the 4th dyn, the south tomb has disapeared from the funerary complex, but "cult-pyramids" appear. Here we have a miniature version of the main pyramid but the internal / subterran layout doesn't immitate that of the main pyramid. No sarcophagi in the cult pyramids.

In the Middle Kingdom we have the Bab el-Hossan (in front of the temple-tomb of Mentohotep II at Deir-el Bahari), here we find a symbolic burial of King Mentuhotep II in the form of his famous statue now in the Cairo Museum, this statue was even wrapped in linnen like a mummy.
From the middle kingdom on we have so-called "cenotaphs" of officials at Abydos, but these have no subterran part and thus no sarcaphagi.
The practice of cenotaphs from this point on is closely connected with the cult of Osiris who was especially venerated at Abydos. The Osiris-tombs themselves are a form of cenotaph, these do include an empty sarcophagus. The Osiris-tombs that have been found date from later periods, most famous are the Osireion at Abydos and the Osiris-tomb under Khafre's causeway at Giza.
Ahmose (last royal pyramid builder) also had a cenotaph at Abydos, the subterran part (no sarcophagus) however was not under the pyramid but a distance away, the complex also included a pyramid for Tetisheri his grandmother (room in pyramid with stela, no sarcophagus).
Closeby is the Middle Kingdom funerary complex of Sesostris III, by some also considered a cenotaph but by most archaeologist considered to be his real tomb. The Abydos subterran complex with sarcophagi has many means to misguide / decourage tomb robbers while the subterran corridors under his pyramid in Dashur lack the usual blocking systems.

Appart from the pyramid of Sesostris III at Dashur there's no indication that any main pyramid containing a sarcophagus wasn't a tomb. A cenotaph doesn't need security measures against tomb robbers since there's no body and no grave goods (hence the lack of a blocking system at Dashur).

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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 219 cladking 16-Feb-11 06:18
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 234 Pete Vanderzwet 16-Feb-11 06:31
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 185 cladking 16-Feb-11 16:46
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 182 Pete Vanderzwet 17-Feb-11 03:32
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 172 cladking 20-Feb-11 03:19
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 194 Ronald1 16-Feb-11 23:46
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 204 Ronald1 17-Feb-11 07:43
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 148 Ronald1 18-Feb-11 06:56
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 196 cladking 18-Feb-11 17:29
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 209 Ronald1 18-Feb-11 18:03
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 205 charly 19-Feb-11 10:54
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 183 cladking 19-Feb-11 16:39
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 207 MJT 19-Feb-11 22:37
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 227 cladking 20-Feb-11 00:47
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 197 Ronald1 19-Feb-11 23:50
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 224 cladking 20-Feb-11 00:49
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 143 Ronald1 20-Feb-11 08:13
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 191 OCaptain 17-Feb-11 14:25
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 227 cladking 17-Feb-11 22:47
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 179 Ronald1 19-Feb-11 12:42
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 220 MJT 19-Feb-11 13:38
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 186 cladking 19-Feb-11 16:26
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 176 MJT 19-Feb-11 21:43
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 253 cladking 19-Feb-11 23:22
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 208 cladking 22-Feb-11 16:15
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 219 cladking 22-Feb-11 16:26
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 218 MJT 22-Feb-11 20:49
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 220 cladking 22-Feb-11 22:40
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 234 charly 21-Feb-11 17:54
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 198 will2learn2000 21-Feb-11 18:56
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 232 charly 21-Feb-11 20:39
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 218 cladking 22-Feb-11 01:19
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 222 charly 22-Feb-11 09:38
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 171 Ronald1 22-Feb-11 11:28
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 188 cladking 22-Feb-11 17:32
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 174 Ronald1 22-Feb-11 18:39
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 234 cladking 22-Feb-11 19:04
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 209 Ronald1 22-Feb-11 23:16
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 199 cladking 22-Feb-11 23:40
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 227 cladking 22-Feb-11 17:13
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 218 charly 22-Feb-11 19:41
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 174 cladking 22-Feb-11 22:52
Re: Other ancient Structures 184 will2learn2000 22-Feb-11 18:05
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Re: Use of common sense obligatory 184 will2learn2000 22-Feb-11 13:08
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 198 cladking 22-Feb-11 01:05
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 188 cladking 22-Feb-11 00:16
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 201 charly 22-Feb-11 10:19
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 183 cladking 22-Feb-11 17:37
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 190 cladking 22-Feb-11 17:52
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 190 charly 22-Feb-11 20:00
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 198 cladking 22-Feb-11 23:38
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 210 will2learn2000 23-Feb-11 09:08
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 216 cladking 23-Feb-11 16:11
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 162 charly 23-Feb-11 10:17
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 221 cladking 23-Feb-11 16:06
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 195 charly 23-Feb-11 17:24
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Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 173 cladking 23-Feb-11 21:58
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 201 charly 24-Feb-11 08:53
Re: Othodox egyptology is necessarily wrong. 192 cladking 24-Feb-11 15:52
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