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Warwick wrote:

> the point is..if you CAN establish conclusively that there is
> no place where one could have been..then further debate on the
> subject would be closed.
>
> these logistics question are of far more import than ,the
> mundane in comparisson question of the method for elevating
> blocks
>
> Ie the identity of the builders of both the Gizamids and the
> Sphinx...and When each was built.
>
> and the more important Why build pyramids at all.

It has never been shown that it could be possible to build the great pyramids with ramps. There is at least one refutatrion of the possibility of building them with ramps and you'll love this; by a qualified engineer. (and no I can't cite it). There's no evidence that ramps were actually used to raise stones on the pyramids and no evidence in the culture that ramps were used.

Ramp proponents simply believe ramps were used and showing where they didn't exist in space will have has much effect as showing they never existed.

If there had been a ramp it really could have been anywhere at all other than right over the quarry. Indeed, they could have even put it over the quarry since most of the stone was used early before the ramp was very long.

The place to look for a quarry in the real world would be at the end of the ramp but this doesn't fit the evidence just as ramps don't fit the evidence. All the assumption in the world won't change the facts. And all the believing won't either.

This might sound harsh as I am prone to do on this subject but this is simply because ramps were assumed and 150 years of contrary evidence is simply being brushed aside as coincidental or irrelevent. Nothing shakes the orthodox belief in ramps.

I'm still wondering if there was actually a statue of the "overseer of the boats of Neith" in the workmen's cemetary. I'd wager if they dug up a spaceship with []nw-boat stenciled by the door and a dead pilot with the name of Seker that orthodoxy would remain unshaken.

This isn't to say that the question isn't legitimate to someone who wants to figure out how the pyramids were built. I've merely been addressing the individual points as they arise. The author has a valid point that there would be advantages to having ramps to the west ((SW, anyway) but that doesn't change any of the facts. Yes. Looking toward the SW and W for ramps might be a good idea but there are so many basic experiments and tests that need to be done that are far higher priority and far more likely to yield results that aren't being done either.

Logistics are entirely and utterly meaningless until you know how they were built. It's like supplying an army in Greenland by shipping supplies to Antartica. Frankly I suspect this might apply on a far broader scale than you think. Glossing over essential questions with answers like "they must have used ramps" is risky business. Does this sound reasonable to you or are you so married to orthodoxy that it's just insane rampblings of a heretic.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 338 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 12:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 264 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 15:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 237 cladking 05-Feb-10 17:01
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 194 sher 05-Feb-10 17:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 217 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 18:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 261 papalou 05-Feb-10 18:36
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 283 sher 05-Feb-10 19:23
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 276 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 233 sher 05-Feb-10 21:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 234 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 208 sher 05-Feb-10 22:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 248 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 sher 05-Feb-10 23:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 260 cladking 05-Feb-10 23:34
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 264 sher 05-Feb-10 23:55
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 275 papalou 06-Feb-10 02:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 230 cladking 06-Feb-10 02:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 215 sher 06-Feb-10 06:47
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 254 David L 06-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 213 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 277 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:11
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 197 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 222 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 191 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 197 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:51
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 270 Jon B 05-Feb-10 18:40
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 255 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 208 Jon B 05-Feb-10 19:12
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 219 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 180 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 253 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 177 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 254 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:21
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 274 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 244 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 270 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:58
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 226 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:45
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 236 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 266 Jon B 05-Feb-10 21:28
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 240 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 225 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:32
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 270 Jon B 07-Feb-10 11:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 243 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:39
sigh.... 198 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:15
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 234 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:25
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 187 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 265 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:11
trying to get the thread back on topic 243 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:16
Re: trying to get the thread back on topic 233 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:37
ONE MORE TRY...... 239 Warwick 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 230 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:43
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 227 Warwick 07-Feb-10 18:45
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 215 cladking 07-Feb-10 19:00
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 223 Warwick 08-Feb-10 17:30
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 188 cladking 08-Feb-10 21:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 262 Jon B 08-Feb-10 22:17
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 202 cladking 08-Feb-10 22:52
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 210 Jon B 09-Feb-10 08:21
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 266 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 278 Warwick 09-Feb-10 16:05
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 271 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:33
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 215 Warwick 09-Feb-10 17:25
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 199 cladking 09-Feb-10 17:36
I found the external Ramp 220 sher 09-Feb-10 20:32
Re: I found the external Ramp 273 cladking 09-Feb-10 21:01
Re: I found the external Ramp 175 sher 09-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 208 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:33
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:35
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 274 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:13
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 192 Warwick 05-Feb-10 18:59
FTR 241 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 190 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 220 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 220 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 196 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 259 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:03
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 257 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 178 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:42
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 206 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:54
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 223 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:56
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 250 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 177 carolb 05-Feb-10 21:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 236 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 240 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:07
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 194 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 274 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 256 michael seabrook 06-Feb-10 00:05
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 260 Elizabeth Newton 06-Feb-10 07:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 233 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-10 12:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 257 Elizabeth Newton 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 180 Rob Miller 07-Feb-10 16:30
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 178 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-10 04:01
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 347 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 05:26
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 232 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 12:38
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 269 sher 07-Feb-10 14:09
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 249 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 19:21
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 286 Drewski 07-Feb-10 12:58
Re: Answers.....for the initiated? : ) 293 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 17:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 241 Titus Livius 06-Feb-10 09:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 258 Archae Solenhofen 06-Feb-10 18:50
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 240 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 19:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 245 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:51
Some photos 254 Jon B 06-Feb-10 10:53
Re: Some photos 167 sher 06-Feb-10 12:20
Re: Some photos 170 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:46
Uhmmm,... 186 sher 06-Feb-10 12:43
Re: Uhmmm,... 237 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:48
Re: Uhmmm,... 193 sher 06-Feb-10 12:54
Re: Uhmmm,... 202 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:56
Answer this question and win a Cigar 214 sher 06-Feb-10 15:35
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 261 Jon B 06-Feb-10 17:18
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 183 sher 06-Feb-10 20:52
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 256 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:32
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 216 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 18:43
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 259 Warwick 06-Feb-10 19:22
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Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 259 cladking 06-Feb-10 23:39
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 191 Archae Solenhofen 06-Feb-10 19:16
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 185 sher 06-Feb-10 21:14
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 194 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:57
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 208 Audrey 08-Feb-10 03:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 270 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Feb-10 23:58


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