Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Scott Creighton wrote:

>Broken record, Archae. Bauval and Hancock have conceded that
>they got the numbers wrong but that the AEs quarried, raised
>and moved 200+ ton blocks at Giza is indisputable - as you well
>know. Bauval and Hancock are materially correct - 200+ ton
>blocks were moved at Giza.

Yes that's right "material correct" in that they are no where near the Valley Temple and the Sphinx, all at ground level, they are not stacked in walls 3 courses high, they did not actually have to lift them very high if at all, there are only 4-5 of them and not hundreds, the smallest are not even remotely close to being greater than 50 tons, all right next to the quarry 10s of meters away if not in it, modern cranes are more than quite capable moving them just as the were for claims of 100s, the 4th dynasty ancient Egyptians can move the actual blocks as well with levers since lever slots were found, etc. etc. etc/ etc..... Ya that's right, the ancient lost ones must still have done the actual more than just considerably less of a feat than originally claimed..... but that is quite ridiculous since the 4th dynasty ancient Egyptians were quite capable of building the Valley Temple just like they were able to build the Kings Chamber in the GP. Is not the King's Chamber now considered by Mr. Hancock to be 4th dynasty or is it now to be considered suspended in mid air by the "Lost's" antigravity projector for thousands of years just waiting for the primatives to come along and give it a coat of pyramid? Yes when one is forced to tweak the treads on the pretty tapestry it starts to unravel. I noticed you have not created a new house to fit the revised smaller and now quite unsound foundations, I guess it's a little hard with all the smoke, flashing mirrors, rubber arming in the way, and a quarter deck of limp noodles to do so..... ooh Ye must yearn for a return of the Good old Days when it was so easier to get away with it.

>And let us not obfuscate here - it
>takes the same amount of force to move said blocks 1 inch as it
>does to move it one mile.

Not if it's downhill.... after all the nearest quarry of hard massive limestone like that used in much of the Valley temple is the Sphinx's head and that deposit is above all the blocks in Khafre's Valley temple. And if it's over a level surface or up hill it didn't stop the 4th dynasty ancient Egyptians for moving greater than 50 ton granite roofing beams into the King's Chamber over and over and over again, oh and transport them 100s of km from Aswan as well.

>It is the energy expended that is
>different.

"It's the force needed stupid" doesn't really have the same oomph as 100 of 200+ ton blocks too heavy for modern cranes to build into walls. For someone who uses the word "obfuscate" you seem to be rather selective in its use on actual examples of such.

>And let us not forget here, Graham has publicly stated on this
>forum that if he has the opportunity, he will update future
>editions of his books. No doubt when this occurs you will
>STILL be harping like a broken record of he they got the
>numbers wrong in the earlier editions.

"opportunity"? Ya, only if.... I guess he it too busy writing another novel to correct the websites that are now on the net that actually have the complete text of FOG on them. Maybe you will have more luck in finding an opportunity in that then he has.... were all waiting.

Here is some for a start.....
<[www.bibliotecapleyades.net];
[www.scribd.com]

Oh when you finished with those then there is the other book's links.....

>Tell me - how long do you think it will be before we get an
>orthodox book that corrects the misleading "Queens Chamber"
>label? There's a wee task for you - get a hold of every
>orthodox book published with this misleading attribution and
>correct it.

Well, you're one who has such a problem with it.... you should spend you valuable time getting them to correct it instead of on me because I am doing the same with something that clearly is held so dear to your heart. I really does not matter to me what Mr. Hancock calls the blocks in Khafre's Valley Temple as long as he removes all the trash on his way out and not just sweep it up a bit and hope no one will notice the rest of the mess left behind.

>And when you have done that, why not update all
>those ortho books that label these structures "tombs of the
>Pharaohs" when we all know that not a single body has ever been
>found in any of them. Why don't we see this little fact
>emphasised in the ortho books, Archae?

I see it ponted out all the time.... in case you didn't know it's in the cahpters on the Queen's Chamber.

>And why is the Sphinx
>attributed to Khafre when the evidence for doing is tenuous in
>the extreme?

Well, I am quite willing to go with a number of people in the Khufu's family since the uraeus on the Sphinx head (that clearly was not recarved much, if at all) is known to have been used by them and not the Lost Ancients.

>Glass houses, Archae. Get your own house in order first before
>casting stones at others.

Oh, that rights Scott.... I can't now point out any more examples of where there is gross exaggerations in alternative literature (gross exaggerations, I might add, that clearly had no validity in reality when they were made and contradicted what was known to have been there as well as common sense), add to this your last attempt at such so that I can't make criticism of an alternative author's claims until the author makes an explanation for it first, taking years in ever to do so.... anything else you want to hamstring me with for your's and your freind's benefit, and not that of others. So much for the advancement of truth....

Archae Solenhofen (solenhofen@hotmail.com)

>SC

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
debunking alternative theories 456 Titus Livius 02-Jul-09 19:10
Re: debunking alternative theories 340 cladking 02-Jul-09 19:55
Re: debunking alternative theories 281 drew 02-Jul-09 23:11
Re: debunking alternative theories 318 Scott Creighton 02-Jul-09 23:52
Re: debunking alternative theories 293 survivalcell 03-Jul-09 00:01
Re: debunking alternative theories 324 cladking 03-Jul-09 01:37
Re: debunking alternative theories 317 survivalcell 03-Jul-09 18:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 297 cladking 04-Jul-09 00:07
Re: debunking alternative theories 375 Susan Doris 04-Jul-09 07:14
Re: debunking alternative theories 369 cladking 04-Jul-09 07:26
Re: debunking alternative theories 355 Susan Doris 04-Jul-09 07:31
Re: debunking alternative theories 335 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 07:31
Re: debunking alternative theories 327 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:10
Re: debunking alternative theories 351 cladking 03-Jul-09 22:56
Re: debunking alternative theories 321 papalou 05-Jul-09 22:27
Re: debunking alternative theories 342 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 06:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 416 carolb 06-Jul-09 18:13
Re: debunking alternative theories 315 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 20:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 315 papalou 06-Jul-09 23:29
Re: debunking alternative theories 384 carolb 07-Jul-09 16:43
Re: debunking alternative theories 305 NetWorkAngel 07-Jul-09 16:51
Re: debunking alternative theories 351 Bobajot 08-Jul-09 03:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 309 Andy McCallum 02-Jul-09 22:40
Re: debunking alternative theories 311 Archae Solenhofen 02-Jul-09 23:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 287 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 00:03
Re: debunking alternative theories 332 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 03:17
Re: debunking alternative theories 334 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 10:23
Re: debunking alternative theories 353 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:20
Scott 326 Warwick 03-Jul-09 17:54
Re: debunking alternative theories 333 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 18:13
Re: debunking alternative theories 335 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:08
Re: debunking alternative theories 318 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 23:59
Re: debunking alternative theories 324 cladking 04-Jul-09 01:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 327 Archae Solenhofen 04-Jul-09 18:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 334 cladking 04-Jul-09 18:54
Re: debunking alternative theories 305 papalou 05-Jul-09 22:47
The coiled serpent 304 Morph 06-Jul-09 13:58
Re: debunking alternative theories 333 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 07:03
Re: debunking alternative theories 319 cladking 06-Jul-09 21:46
Re: debunking alternative theories 367 Susan Doris 07-Jul-09 07:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 331 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:16
Re: debunking alternative theories 368 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 18:47
Re: debunking alternative theories 320 Morph 02-Jul-09 23:22
Re: debunking alternative theories 322 drew 02-Jul-09 23:25
Re: debunking alternative theories 361 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:48
Re: debunking alternative theories 291 Warwick 03-Jul-09 18:08
Re: debunking alternative theories 387 richarddullum 03-Jul-09 05:50
Re: debunking alternative theories 315 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:38
Re: debunking alternative theories 356 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:36
Re: debunking alternative theories 328 Titus Livius 04-Jul-09 11:57
Re: debunking alternative theories 368 cladking 04-Jul-09 19:14
Re: debunking alternative theories 299 Titus Livius 05-Jul-09 10:22
Re: debunking alternative theories 358 cladking 05-Jul-09 20:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 358 Susan Doris 03-Jul-09 07:36
Re: debunking alternative theories 373 Susan Doris 03-Jul-09 07:43
Re: debunking alternative theories 313 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 10:58
Re: debunking alternative theories 303 Essan 03-Jul-09 08:52
Re: debunking alternative theories 289 Laird Scranton 03-Jul-09 15:05
Re: debunking alternative theories 334 Warwick 03-Jul-09 17:47
more scholarly feedback 255 Warwick 03-Jul-09 18:00
Re: more scholarly feedback 316 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:45
Re: debunking alternative theories 474 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 18:42
actually.. 331 Warwick 03-Jul-09 19:08
Re: actually.. 300 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 19:17
Re: actually.. 352 Warwick 03-Jul-09 19:39
Re: actually.. 354 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 19:43
Re: actually.. 337 Warwick 03-Jul-09 19:50
Re: actually.. 304 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 19:56
Re: actually.. 292 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:13
Re: actually.. 286 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 20:33
Posturing.. 319 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:46
Re: Posturing.. 325 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 20:54
Re: Posturing.. 307 Warwick 03-Jul-09 21:01
Re:Opinion Alert! 362 Sirfiroth 04-Jul-09 06:03
Re:Opinion Alert! 326 Warwick 04-Jul-09 17:58
Re:Opinion Alert! 281 Sirfiroth 04-Jul-09 19:49
Re:Opinion Alert! 293 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 20:03
Re:Opinion Alert! 307 Warwick 05-Jul-09 18:45
Re:Opinion Alert! 371 Sirfiroth 05-Jul-09 20:21
Re:Opinion Alert! 365 Warwick 05-Jul-09 21:05
Re: Posturing.. 332 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 08:15
Re: Posturing.. 304 Warwick 04-Jul-09 18:10
Re: Posturing.. 299 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 18:33
Re: Posturing.. 309 Warwick 04-Jul-09 19:09
Re: Posturing.. 373 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 19:27
Re: Posturing.. 323 cladking 04-Jul-09 20:01
Re: actually.. 384 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:15
Re: debunking alternative theories 324 drew 04-Jul-09 03:24
Titus 322 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 303 Diomede 05-Jul-09 22:39
Re: debunking alternative theories 373 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 06:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 323 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 14:56
Re: debunking alternative theories 337 Titus Livius 06-Jul-09 18:39
Re: debunking alternative theories 363 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 20:40
Re: debunking alternative theories 367 bookwise 06-Jul-09 15:24
Re: debunking alternative theories 308 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 15:47
Re: debunking alternative theories 295 Diomede 06-Jul-09 20:11
Re: debunking alternative theories 310 bookwise 06-Jul-09 20:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 329 Susan Doris 07-Jul-09 07:38
Re: debunking alternative theories 356 Titus Livius 08-Jul-09 18:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 272 Warwick 08-Jul-09 19:03


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.