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Titus, The 'debunking' web sites I have found, most of which have been quoted by Archae, et. al., having to do with archaeology and related fields, have basically all used ridicule, scorn, sarcasm, name-calling and character assassination to attack views which are commonly known as alternative. For a good example of this, follow the criticisms on the GHMB launched against the host, Graham Hancock, for his views on the evidence for a pre-Ice Age high civilization. Get the book, "Forbidden Archaeology's Impact", by Michael Cremo, if you want to read some high-brow criticism, and see how the 'big boys' debunk! In this book, Cremo shows how, in their own words, some of the top archaeologists try to debunk him: "Pure humbug and does not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone but a fool." "A must for anyone interested in keeping up with goofy, popular anthropology; it is a veritable cornucopia of dreck."
These are from Richard Leakey and Jonathan Marks, in order of quote. They do not attempt to give any kind of scientific answer to the questions posed by the work they denigrate, and such is the case for the debunkers as well on their websites. Richard Dawkins has written a whole book on the basis of debunking of alternative theory of human origins, picking on the weakest arguments(creationisms) in his opinion, and basically lumping it all together into the famous 'Bushistic' statement, "If you're not with us, you're with the enemy"(because there's only two sides, as he sees it). To Dawkins, alternative views are not worthy of consideration, even from reputable scientists.
I'll tell you something I believe, though: the establishment is running out of gas in this effort, and more and more scientists are not listening to this cacophany of name-calling and shrill invective, preferring to let the science lead them to discovery, rather than thinking they already know it all.
What is behind the debunking fury? Perhaps these establishment icons fear this:" To have modern human beings........appearing a great deal earlier, in fact at a time when even simple primates did not exist as possible ancestors, would be devastating not only to the accepted pattern. It would be devastating to the whole theory of evolution."- W.W. Howells, Physical Anthropologist. The quoted statements above are taken from "Forbidden Archaeology".
The simple fact is that the discipline won't live by its own maxim to modify its theories when new evidence becomes available. Instead, it seeks to undermine by coming out with statements like "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", thus setting up the establishment, which is challenged, as the arbiter of what is acceptable evidence. It's like what happens in 'whistle-blower' cases. The deck is stacked. Luckily, there's still free speech and the cyber-world we live in makes the acquisition and evaluation of information available to many more than previously has been the case. The very popularization of science has led many with differing perspectives on scientific problems to investigate for themselves, whether the alternative viewpoints have merit.
Thomas Jefferson called for "the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom and happiness."
The National Academy of Sciences 1998 booklet comments on the teaching of science: "this process of public scrutiny is an essential part of science. It works to eliminate personal bias and subjectivity because others must be able to determine whether a proposed explanation is consistant with available evidence." It does not say the truth resides in the opinions of the most highly placed and visible academics in the field.
Finally, Titus, I hope you and many others can see that the explanation for who we are and how we got here hasn't been answered by anybody, definitively, yet, and we are doing ourselves and those who follow after us a disservice if we ignore or dismiss alternative views on the basis of thinking we've already "got it right". Cheers, Rick

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debunking alternative theories 323 Titus Livius 02-Jul-09 19:10
Re: debunking alternative theories 252 cladking 02-Jul-09 19:55
Re: debunking alternative theories 198 drew 02-Jul-09 23:11
Re: debunking alternative theories 205 Scott Creighton 02-Jul-09 23:52
Re: debunking alternative theories 195 survivalcell 03-Jul-09 00:01
Re: debunking alternative theories 206 cladking 03-Jul-09 01:37
Re: debunking alternative theories 212 survivalcell 03-Jul-09 18:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 203 cladking 04-Jul-09 00:07
Re: debunking alternative theories 282 Susan Doris 04-Jul-09 07:14
Re: debunking alternative theories 232 cladking 04-Jul-09 07:26
Re: debunking alternative theories 269 Susan Doris 04-Jul-09 07:31
Re: debunking alternative theories 224 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 07:31
Re: debunking alternative theories 207 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:10
Re: debunking alternative theories 245 cladking 03-Jul-09 22:56
Re: debunking alternative theories 201 papalou 05-Jul-09 22:27
Re: debunking alternative theories 239 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 06:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 290 carolb 06-Jul-09 18:13
Re: debunking alternative theories 218 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 20:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 226 papalou 06-Jul-09 23:29
Re: debunking alternative theories 279 carolb 07-Jul-09 16:43
Re: debunking alternative theories 204 NetWorkAngel 07-Jul-09 16:51
Re: debunking alternative theories 192 Bobajot 08-Jul-09 03:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 146 Andy McCallum 02-Jul-09 22:40
Re: debunking alternative theories 204 Archae Solenhofen 02-Jul-09 23:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 193 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 00:03
Re: debunking alternative theories 235 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 03:17
Re: debunking alternative theories 235 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 10:23
Re: debunking alternative theories 219 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:20
Scott 229 Warwick 03-Jul-09 17:54
Re: debunking alternative theories 236 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 18:13
Re: debunking alternative theories 240 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:08
Re: debunking alternative theories 218 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 23:59
Re: debunking alternative theories 234 cladking 04-Jul-09 01:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 235 Archae Solenhofen 04-Jul-09 18:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 235 cladking 04-Jul-09 18:54
Re: debunking alternative theories 205 papalou 05-Jul-09 22:47
The coiled serpent 209 Morph 06-Jul-09 13:58
Re: debunking alternative theories 235 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 07:03
Re: debunking alternative theories 216 cladking 06-Jul-09 21:46
Re: debunking alternative theories 246 Susan Doris 07-Jul-09 07:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 224 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:16
Re: debunking alternative theories 259 Archae Solenhofen 03-Jul-09 18:47
Re: debunking alternative theories 225 Morph 02-Jul-09 23:22
Re: debunking alternative theories 216 drew 02-Jul-09 23:25
Re: debunking alternative theories 220 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:48
Re: debunking alternative theories 198 Warwick 03-Jul-09 18:08
Re: debunking alternative theories 251 richarddullum 03-Jul-09 05:50
Re: debunking alternative theories 211 Titus Livius 03-Jul-09 17:38
Re: debunking alternative theories 216 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:36
Re: debunking alternative theories 234 Titus Livius 04-Jul-09 11:57
Re: debunking alternative theories 253 cladking 04-Jul-09 19:14
Re: debunking alternative theories 207 Titus Livius 05-Jul-09 10:22
Re: debunking alternative theories 222 cladking 05-Jul-09 20:18
Re: debunking alternative theories 250 Susan Doris 03-Jul-09 07:36
Re: debunking alternative theories 279 Susan Doris 03-Jul-09 07:43
Re: debunking alternative theories 201 Scott Creighton 03-Jul-09 10:58
Re: debunking alternative theories 207 Essan 03-Jul-09 08:52
Re: debunking alternative theories 199 Laird Scranton 03-Jul-09 15:05
Re: debunking alternative theories 228 Warwick 03-Jul-09 17:47
more scholarly feedback 174 Warwick 03-Jul-09 18:00
Re: more scholarly feedback 203 cladking 03-Jul-09 23:45
Re: debunking alternative theories 328 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 18:42
actually.. 228 Warwick 03-Jul-09 19:08
Re: actually.. 196 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 19:17
Re: actually.. 206 Warwick 03-Jul-09 19:39
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Re: actually.. 187 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 20:33
Posturing.. 225 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:46
Re: Posturing.. 233 Rob Miller 03-Jul-09 20:54
Re: Posturing.. 218 Warwick 03-Jul-09 21:01
Re:Opinion Alert! 224 Sirfiroth 04-Jul-09 06:03
Re:Opinion Alert! 234 Warwick 04-Jul-09 17:58
Re:Opinion Alert! 194 Sirfiroth 04-Jul-09 19:49
Re:Opinion Alert! 192 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 20:03
Re:Opinion Alert! 214 Warwick 05-Jul-09 18:45
Re:Opinion Alert! 222 Sirfiroth 05-Jul-09 20:21
Re:Opinion Alert! 275 Warwick 05-Jul-09 21:05
Re: Posturing.. 247 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 08:15
Re: Posturing.. 195 Warwick 04-Jul-09 18:10
Re: Posturing.. 210 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 18:33
Re: Posturing.. 203 Warwick 04-Jul-09 19:09
Re: Posturing.. 253 Rob Miller 04-Jul-09 19:27
Re: Posturing.. 212 cladking 04-Jul-09 20:01
Re: actually.. 285 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:15
Re: debunking alternative theories 224 drew 04-Jul-09 03:24
Titus 222 Warwick 03-Jul-09 20:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 195 Diomede 05-Jul-09 22:39
Re: debunking alternative theories 266 Susan Doris 06-Jul-09 06:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 225 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 14:56
Re: debunking alternative theories 232 Titus Livius 06-Jul-09 18:39
Re: debunking alternative theories 269 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 20:40
Re: debunking alternative theories 244 bookwise 06-Jul-09 15:24
Re: debunking alternative theories 216 Laird Scranton 06-Jul-09 15:47
Re: debunking alternative theories 196 Diomede 06-Jul-09 20:11
Re: debunking alternative theories 201 bookwise 06-Jul-09 20:49
Re: debunking alternative theories 246 Susan Doris 07-Jul-09 07:38
Re: debunking alternative theories 238 Titus Livius 08-Jul-09 18:34
Re: debunking alternative theories 187 Warwick 08-Jul-09 19:03


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