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Sorry for the delay in replying...I've had a nasty bug these past few days.

Nolondil wrote:

> "Out-dated? Lack of proof is not refutation. Is the Nebular theory refuted? Or just not proven? If some sort of solid evidence turns up for a different theory I'm sure scientists will be very interested. The chance to be the 'discoverer' of something new, get a lot of research grants and maybe get your name in the history books is a pretty strong motivation to seek out new ideas in science.

In this regard, Velikovsky wrote:

"In my paper under review, I quote from noted British cosmologist, R.A. Lyttleton, from his 'Man's View of the Universe' to the effect that Venus (and other terrestrial planets) must have been born from Jupiter by disruption. In the 'Monthly Notices' of the Royal Astronomical Society, Lyttleton after pointing to insurmountable physical handicaps in both the Nebular and Tidal theory of the origin of the solar system, demonstrated mathematically the process that I reconstructed from the annals of the past."

Also, W.H. McCrea (then Astronomer Royal of Great Britain) calculated that, based on the Nebular hypothesis, it is impossible for the planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury to have formed inside the orbit of Jupiter.

So it would appear that according to the above professional astronomers, the current accepted theory of planetary formation is inconsistent with gravitational physics.

> "Planetary billiards is not an alternative theory. It violates the most basic known laws of physics, like conservation of momentum.

It was Sagan who researched the 'Planetary billiards' syndrome with respect to "independence" of probability ie near collisions between Venus and the Earth.
Venus would not he claimed, because of gravitational theory, return for more near collisions.
The probablitiy of such an event re-occurring was 10^23.

In this respect, Robert Jastrow founder director of NASA's institute for Space Studies wrote;

"...Dr. Velikovsky had his day when he spotted a major scientific boner in Professor Sagan's argument. Calculating the probability of several collisions involving Venus, Mars and the Earth, Dr Sagan estimated one chance in 10^23 (10 followed by 22 zeros) that the collisions could occur. This number was widely quoted by reporters as proof of the absurdity of Velikovsky's thesis. Professor Sagan's error lay in the assumption that the collisions were independent of one another, so that the probability of a series of collisions would be the product of separate probabilities for each collision. Dr. Velikovsky pointed out that the collisions were not independent; in fact if two bodies orbiting the Sun under the influence of gravity collide once, that encounter enhances the chance of another, a well known fact in celestial mechanics. Professor Sagan's calculations in effect, ignore the law of gravity. Here, Dr. Velikovsky was the better astronomer."

Even Dr. Robert Bass, a Cambridge University trained astronomer concerning these "independent" events remarked (and I won't give the whole quote for reasons of space etc):

"...This Sagan assumption is so disingenuous that I do not hesitate to label it as either a deliberate fraud on the public of else a manifestation of unbelievable incompetence of hastiness combined with desperation and wrtchedly poor judgement"


> "Research in what, though? Are you following the Velikovsky path of piecing together bits of mythology and then claiming it is scientifically valid? If you can provide a coherent re-interpretation of actual scientific data, that's one thing. If you're just going to assert clear impossibilities based on selected fragments of mythologies you're wasting everyone's time.

For the first sentence of your above paragraph, the answer is 'No, not at all!'
For sure, much of that mythological work was the basis for the theme of World's in Collision, but much more has been discovered since.

From a "scientific" point of view however, the late Carl Sagan wrote in 'Broca's Brain':

"My own position is even if 20% of the legendary concordances that Velikovsky produces are real, there is something important to be explained"

So, here we have a credited scientist, one Carl Sagan, who apparenly knows enough, compared with the experts, to discredit 80% of Velikovsky's legendary and historical evidence and in a field for which he has little or no training.

For the last part of your paragraph with respect to "you're wasting everyone's time", well you may have your own opinion and are welcome to it, but I think you misconstrue what it is I am talking about.
Put it this way, there is far more to this subject then just pure mythology and legends etc.
With respect, I thought you already knew this?

On a few previous posts, you have mentioned quite a few points where Velikovsky is apparently either discredited, or is completely "wrong".
Well fair enough, we all have a choice in these matters.

However, to answer all these questions at once (and I am not avoiding them), would take far too long and the scroll bar on the right of the page would diminish in size considerably, making the post preferentially unreadable, because of its exorbitant length.
So, as 'Voyager' quite rightly suggested, perhaps these particular points might be raised at a future date and we can discuss them there.
Besides, 320-odd posts on the Mysteries Board is stretching things somewhat.

By the way (unless things have changed during my recent absence), Pluto is no longer regarded as a 'Planet'.

John


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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 599 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 123 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 125 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 127 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 114 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 543 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 185 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 139 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 164 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 131 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 178 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 164 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 136 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 157 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 166 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 164 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 139 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 166 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 148 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 144 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 135 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 135 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 195 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 160 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 141 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 161 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 144 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 124 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 156 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 146 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 167 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 174 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 191 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 189 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 166 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 140 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 166 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 180 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 177 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 163 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 148 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 170 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 137 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 142 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 136 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 121 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 180 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 166 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 129 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 93 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 112 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 128 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 171 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 177 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 146 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 145 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 142 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 157 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 133 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 149 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 170 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 153 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 138 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 152 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 145 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 131 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 117 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 143 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 122 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 123 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 116 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 118 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 104 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 102 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 96 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 115 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 87 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 123 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 98 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 121 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 100 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 128 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 137 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 99 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 121 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 139 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 119 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 125 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 138 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 126 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 133 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 132 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 139 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 118 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 138 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 135 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 98 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 107 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 104 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 102 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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