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Sorry for the delay in replying...I've had a nasty bug these past few days.

Nolondil wrote:

> "Out-dated? Lack of proof is not refutation. Is the Nebular theory refuted? Or just not proven? If some sort of solid evidence turns up for a different theory I'm sure scientists will be very interested. The chance to be the 'discoverer' of something new, get a lot of research grants and maybe get your name in the history books is a pretty strong motivation to seek out new ideas in science.

In this regard, Velikovsky wrote:

"In my paper under review, I quote from noted British cosmologist, R.A. Lyttleton, from his 'Man's View of the Universe' to the effect that Venus (and other terrestrial planets) must have been born from Jupiter by disruption. In the 'Monthly Notices' of the Royal Astronomical Society, Lyttleton after pointing to insurmountable physical handicaps in both the Nebular and Tidal theory of the origin of the solar system, demonstrated mathematically the process that I reconstructed from the annals of the past."

Also, W.H. McCrea (then Astronomer Royal of Great Britain) calculated that, based on the Nebular hypothesis, it is impossible for the planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury to have formed inside the orbit of Jupiter.

So it would appear that according to the above professional astronomers, the current accepted theory of planetary formation is inconsistent with gravitational physics.

> "Planetary billiards is not an alternative theory. It violates the most basic known laws of physics, like conservation of momentum.

It was Sagan who researched the 'Planetary billiards' syndrome with respect to "independence" of probability ie near collisions between Venus and the Earth.
Venus would not he claimed, because of gravitational theory, return for more near collisions.
The probablitiy of such an event re-occurring was 10^23.

In this respect, Robert Jastrow founder director of NASA's institute for Space Studies wrote;

"...Dr. Velikovsky had his day when he spotted a major scientific boner in Professor Sagan's argument. Calculating the probability of several collisions involving Venus, Mars and the Earth, Dr Sagan estimated one chance in 10^23 (10 followed by 22 zeros) that the collisions could occur. This number was widely quoted by reporters as proof of the absurdity of Velikovsky's thesis. Professor Sagan's error lay in the assumption that the collisions were independent of one another, so that the probability of a series of collisions would be the product of separate probabilities for each collision. Dr. Velikovsky pointed out that the collisions were not independent; in fact if two bodies orbiting the Sun under the influence of gravity collide once, that encounter enhances the chance of another, a well known fact in celestial mechanics. Professor Sagan's calculations in effect, ignore the law of gravity. Here, Dr. Velikovsky was the better astronomer."

Even Dr. Robert Bass, a Cambridge University trained astronomer concerning these "independent" events remarked (and I won't give the whole quote for reasons of space etc):

"...This Sagan assumption is so disingenuous that I do not hesitate to label it as either a deliberate fraud on the public of else a manifestation of unbelievable incompetence of hastiness combined with desperation and wrtchedly poor judgement"


> "Research in what, though? Are you following the Velikovsky path of piecing together bits of mythology and then claiming it is scientifically valid? If you can provide a coherent re-interpretation of actual scientific data, that's one thing. If you're just going to assert clear impossibilities based on selected fragments of mythologies you're wasting everyone's time.

For the first sentence of your above paragraph, the answer is 'No, not at all!'
For sure, much of that mythological work was the basis for the theme of World's in Collision, but much more has been discovered since.

From a "scientific" point of view however, the late Carl Sagan wrote in 'Broca's Brain':

"My own position is even if 20% of the legendary concordances that Velikovsky produces are real, there is something important to be explained"

So, here we have a credited scientist, one Carl Sagan, who apparenly knows enough, compared with the experts, to discredit 80% of Velikovsky's legendary and historical evidence and in a field for which he has little or no training.

For the last part of your paragraph with respect to "you're wasting everyone's time", well you may have your own opinion and are welcome to it, but I think you misconstrue what it is I am talking about.
Put it this way, there is far more to this subject then just pure mythology and legends etc.
With respect, I thought you already knew this?

On a few previous posts, you have mentioned quite a few points where Velikovsky is apparently either discredited, or is completely "wrong".
Well fair enough, we all have a choice in these matters.

However, to answer all these questions at once (and I am not avoiding them), would take far too long and the scroll bar on the right of the page would diminish in size considerably, making the post preferentially unreadable, because of its exorbitant length.
So, as 'Voyager' quite rightly suggested, perhaps these particular points might be raised at a future date and we can discuss them there.
Besides, 320-odd posts on the Mysteries Board is stretching things somewhat.

By the way (unless things have changed during my recent absence), Pluto is no longer regarded as a 'Planet'.

John


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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 613 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 571 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 197 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
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Re: What does this mean? 149 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 167 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 172 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 176 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 154 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 173 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 167 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 153 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 141 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 148 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 202 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 170 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 149 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 170 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 156 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 128 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 165 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 154 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 175 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 181 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 203 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 196 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 172 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 146 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 173 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 163 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 189 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 186 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 167 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 176 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 148 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 155 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 136 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 186 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 173 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 137 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 102 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 181 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 190 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 149 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 150 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 148 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 164 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 140 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 158 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 179 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 158 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 181 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 153 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 147 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 123 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 153 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 129 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 112 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 108 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 101 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 93 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 105 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 152 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 144 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 109 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 139 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 151 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 127 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 130 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 148 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 135 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 140 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 138 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 150 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 125 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 148 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 140 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 105 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 112 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 124 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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