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Sorry for the delay in replying...I've had a nasty bug these past few days.

Nolondil wrote:

> "Out-dated? Lack of proof is not refutation. Is the Nebular theory refuted? Or just not proven? If some sort of solid evidence turns up for a different theory I'm sure scientists will be very interested. The chance to be the 'discoverer' of something new, get a lot of research grants and maybe get your name in the history books is a pretty strong motivation to seek out new ideas in science.

In this regard, Velikovsky wrote:

"In my paper under review, I quote from noted British cosmologist, R.A. Lyttleton, from his 'Man's View of the Universe' to the effect that Venus (and other terrestrial planets) must have been born from Jupiter by disruption. In the 'Monthly Notices' of the Royal Astronomical Society, Lyttleton after pointing to insurmountable physical handicaps in both the Nebular and Tidal theory of the origin of the solar system, demonstrated mathematically the process that I reconstructed from the annals of the past."

Also, W.H. McCrea (then Astronomer Royal of Great Britain) calculated that, based on the Nebular hypothesis, it is impossible for the planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury to have formed inside the orbit of Jupiter.

So it would appear that according to the above professional astronomers, the current accepted theory of planetary formation is inconsistent with gravitational physics.

> "Planetary billiards is not an alternative theory. It violates the most basic known laws of physics, like conservation of momentum.

It was Sagan who researched the 'Planetary billiards' syndrome with respect to "independence" of probability ie near collisions between Venus and the Earth.
Venus would not he claimed, because of gravitational theory, return for more near collisions.
The probablitiy of such an event re-occurring was 10^23.

In this respect, Robert Jastrow founder director of NASA's institute for Space Studies wrote;

"...Dr. Velikovsky had his day when he spotted a major scientific boner in Professor Sagan's argument. Calculating the probability of several collisions involving Venus, Mars and the Earth, Dr Sagan estimated one chance in 10^23 (10 followed by 22 zeros) that the collisions could occur. This number was widely quoted by reporters as proof of the absurdity of Velikovsky's thesis. Professor Sagan's error lay in the assumption that the collisions were independent of one another, so that the probability of a series of collisions would be the product of separate probabilities for each collision. Dr. Velikovsky pointed out that the collisions were not independent; in fact if two bodies orbiting the Sun under the influence of gravity collide once, that encounter enhances the chance of another, a well known fact in celestial mechanics. Professor Sagan's calculations in effect, ignore the law of gravity. Here, Dr. Velikovsky was the better astronomer."

Even Dr. Robert Bass, a Cambridge University trained astronomer concerning these "independent" events remarked (and I won't give the whole quote for reasons of space etc):

"...This Sagan assumption is so disingenuous that I do not hesitate to label it as either a deliberate fraud on the public of else a manifestation of unbelievable incompetence of hastiness combined with desperation and wrtchedly poor judgement"


> "Research in what, though? Are you following the Velikovsky path of piecing together bits of mythology and then claiming it is scientifically valid? If you can provide a coherent re-interpretation of actual scientific data, that's one thing. If you're just going to assert clear impossibilities based on selected fragments of mythologies you're wasting everyone's time.

For the first sentence of your above paragraph, the answer is 'No, not at all!'
For sure, much of that mythological work was the basis for the theme of World's in Collision, but much more has been discovered since.

From a "scientific" point of view however, the late Carl Sagan wrote in 'Broca's Brain':

"My own position is even if 20% of the legendary concordances that Velikovsky produces are real, there is something important to be explained"

So, here we have a credited scientist, one Carl Sagan, who apparenly knows enough, compared with the experts, to discredit 80% of Velikovsky's legendary and historical evidence and in a field for which he has little or no training.

For the last part of your paragraph with respect to "you're wasting everyone's time", well you may have your own opinion and are welcome to it, but I think you misconstrue what it is I am talking about.
Put it this way, there is far more to this subject then just pure mythology and legends etc.
With respect, I thought you already knew this?

On a few previous posts, you have mentioned quite a few points where Velikovsky is apparently either discredited, or is completely "wrong".
Well fair enough, we all have a choice in these matters.

However, to answer all these questions at once (and I am not avoiding them), would take far too long and the scroll bar on the right of the page would diminish in size considerably, making the post preferentially unreadable, because of its exorbitant length.
So, as 'Voyager' quite rightly suggested, perhaps these particular points might be raised at a future date and we can discuss them there.
Besides, 320-odd posts on the Mysteries Board is stretching things somewhat.

By the way (unless things have changed during my recent absence), Pluto is no longer regarded as a 'Planet'.

John


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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 287 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 273 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 296 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 273 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
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The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 733 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 262 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
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What little I understand 230 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
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Re: What little I understand 228 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 211 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 194 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 201 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 297 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 223 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 214 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 227 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 203 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 179 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
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Possibility of venus as a comet. 214 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 222 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 225 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 233 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 252 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 236 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 219 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
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Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 225 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 273 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 231 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 224 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 196 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 218 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 202 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 238 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 224 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 193 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 247 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 271 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 237 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 206 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 204 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 226 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 206 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 232 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 240 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 198 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 249 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 250 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 216 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 215 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 186 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 209 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 174 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 171 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 250 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 213 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 158 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 196 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 228 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 198 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 221 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 207 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 196 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 197 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 185 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 234 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 203 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 211 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 196 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 208 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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