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Diomede wrote:

> Nolondil wrote:
>
> > "Unsupported assertion. Provide evidence that Venus radiates
> more heat than it receives. What astronomical measurements have
> been done that show this? What probes have visited the planet
> and measured its total heat output?>
>
> In simplicity:
>
> Hot air rises!
> Evidenced by changes to this effect in albedo measurements of
> the cloud tops of Venus covering many years.

How many years? Who took the measurements? Where is the data?

And even if it's available, you'd have to have other data to make the case that it 'proves' large scale convection in the atmosphere.

> Bolometric measurements are a different matter and as far as I
> know have not been engaged, no doubt I think for fear of
> embarrasment, in that Venus is indeed a youthful planet.
>

Translation: There is no known evidence for this claim, therefore it must be true because they haven't checked it.

Yeah, right.

> > "Then the earth's atmosphere also violates the Second Law of
> Thermodynamics. For that matter, life violates the Second Law
> of Thermodynamics.
>
> Not really.
>
> In short, most of the visible radiaton is absorbed in the upper
> atmosphere of Venus so that the heat source (the extensive
> cloud cover) is at a low temperature, while the sink (ie the
> surface) is at a high temperature.
> This is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>

Convection due to heat differences is not unconditional. Unmixing layers of water and air are known in Earth's climate. Slight differences in composition can prevent convection. (e.g. salty and fresh water.) Certain chemical processes could cause convection to run in reverse.

Does every planet with a core hotter than its surface violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

> Having said this very briefly, are you actually a proponent of
> the "greenhouse theory" or not?
>

I don't know that I could be called a 'proponent' of the greenhouse theory. It is a reasonable guess, and all science has to start with a reasonable guess. There is light reaching the surface, as a few probes have shown by returning photographs in the visible spectrum. Actual measurements may show something different about total energy transfer. As thick as the atmosphere is, it seems quite possible that the native heat of the planet is held back at the surface in a way that it is not on Earth. Earth's core is still very hot as well, and if we had a several times more insulating atmosphere the surface temperature here might be similar to that on Venus despite our 28 percent greater distance from the sun.

> > "Since neither Earth nor Venus are isolated systems but are
> receiving input from the sun, it is quit possible for their
> behavior to be 'against the grain' of the general trend towards
> entropy. Maybe you were meaning to refer to the idea of "heat
> death"?
>
> Not really.
> Never mind Venus or the Earth, ALL planets emit more heat
> (radiation) than they receive from the Sun.
> However, Venus in this respect, is around 10-15% as much.
>

Oh? When was Mercury measured? Or Pluto? Where is the data? How do you make this assertion if the 'bolometric measurements' haven't been done for Venus, as you said yourself just above?

You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method. Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.



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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 672 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 630 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 236 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 195 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 204 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 172 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 231 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 209 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 197 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 212 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 189 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 199 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 204 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 189 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 182 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 173 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 179 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 253 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 200 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 175 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 200 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 182 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 152 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 189 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 189 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 200 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 207 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 226 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 215 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 195 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 168 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 201 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 222 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 234 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 206 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 191 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 175 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 197 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 179 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 181 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 213 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 200 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 170 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 224 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 225 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 184 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 183 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 177 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 197 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 175 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 195 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 211 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 170 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 198 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 211 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 193 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 173 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 152 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 185 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 151 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 120 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 145 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 191 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 175 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 135 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 169 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 190 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 155 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 166 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 172 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 167 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 168 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 159 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 204 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 156 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 185 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 173 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 159 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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