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Diomede wrote:

> Nolondil wrote:
>
> > "Unsupported assertion. Provide evidence that Venus radiates
> more heat than it receives. What astronomical measurements have
> been done that show this? What probes have visited the planet
> and measured its total heat output?>
>
> In simplicity:
>
> Hot air rises!
> Evidenced by changes to this effect in albedo measurements of
> the cloud tops of Venus covering many years.

How many years? Who took the measurements? Where is the data?

And even if it's available, you'd have to have other data to make the case that it 'proves' large scale convection in the atmosphere.

> Bolometric measurements are a different matter and as far as I
> know have not been engaged, no doubt I think for fear of
> embarrasment, in that Venus is indeed a youthful planet.
>

Translation: There is no known evidence for this claim, therefore it must be true because they haven't checked it.

Yeah, right.

> > "Then the earth's atmosphere also violates the Second Law of
> Thermodynamics. For that matter, life violates the Second Law
> of Thermodynamics.
>
> Not really.
>
> In short, most of the visible radiaton is absorbed in the upper
> atmosphere of Venus so that the heat source (the extensive
> cloud cover) is at a low temperature, while the sink (ie the
> surface) is at a high temperature.
> This is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>

Convection due to heat differences is not unconditional. Unmixing layers of water and air are known in Earth's climate. Slight differences in composition can prevent convection. (e.g. salty and fresh water.) Certain chemical processes could cause convection to run in reverse.

Does every planet with a core hotter than its surface violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

> Having said this very briefly, are you actually a proponent of
> the "greenhouse theory" or not?
>

I don't know that I could be called a 'proponent' of the greenhouse theory. It is a reasonable guess, and all science has to start with a reasonable guess. There is light reaching the surface, as a few probes have shown by returning photographs in the visible spectrum. Actual measurements may show something different about total energy transfer. As thick as the atmosphere is, it seems quite possible that the native heat of the planet is held back at the surface in a way that it is not on Earth. Earth's core is still very hot as well, and if we had a several times more insulating atmosphere the surface temperature here might be similar to that on Venus despite our 28 percent greater distance from the sun.

> > "Since neither Earth nor Venus are isolated systems but are
> receiving input from the sun, it is quit possible for their
> behavior to be 'against the grain' of the general trend towards
> entropy. Maybe you were meaning to refer to the idea of "heat
> death"?
>
> Not really.
> Never mind Venus or the Earth, ALL planets emit more heat
> (radiation) than they receive from the Sun.
> However, Venus in this respect, is around 10-15% as much.
>

Oh? When was Mercury measured? Or Pluto? Where is the data? How do you make this assertion if the 'bolometric measurements' haven't been done for Venus, as you said yourself just above?

You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method. Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.



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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 598 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 124 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 127 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 114 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 542 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 184 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 139 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 164 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 130 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 178 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 163 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 136 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 157 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 165 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 163 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 137 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 166 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 147 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 143 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 135 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 134 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 194 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 159 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 141 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 159 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 144 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 124 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 156 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 146 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 167 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 174 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 190 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 189 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 166 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 140 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 165 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 180 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 176 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 163 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 148 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 170 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 136 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 142 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 135 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 121 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 180 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 166 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 129 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 92 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 112 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 128 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 171 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 176 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 144 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 145 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 142 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 157 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 133 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 149 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 169 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 152 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 134 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 151 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 144 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 130 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 117 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 143 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 122 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 123 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 116 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 117 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 103 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 102 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 95 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 113 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 86 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 97 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 121 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 100 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 126 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 136 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 99 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 128 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 119 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 137 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 118 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 125 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 137 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 126 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 132 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 131 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 138 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 118 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 137 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 135 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 98 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 107 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 104 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 101 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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