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Diomede wrote:

> Nolondil wrote:
>
> > "Unsupported assertion. Provide evidence that Venus radiates
> more heat than it receives. What astronomical measurements have
> been done that show this? What probes have visited the planet
> and measured its total heat output?>
>
> In simplicity:
>
> Hot air rises!
> Evidenced by changes to this effect in albedo measurements of
> the cloud tops of Venus covering many years.

How many years? Who took the measurements? Where is the data?

And even if it's available, you'd have to have other data to make the case that it 'proves' large scale convection in the atmosphere.

> Bolometric measurements are a different matter and as far as I
> know have not been engaged, no doubt I think for fear of
> embarrasment, in that Venus is indeed a youthful planet.
>

Translation: There is no known evidence for this claim, therefore it must be true because they haven't checked it.

Yeah, right.

> > "Then the earth's atmosphere also violates the Second Law of
> Thermodynamics. For that matter, life violates the Second Law
> of Thermodynamics.
>
> Not really.
>
> In short, most of the visible radiaton is absorbed in the upper
> atmosphere of Venus so that the heat source (the extensive
> cloud cover) is at a low temperature, while the sink (ie the
> surface) is at a high temperature.
> This is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>

Convection due to heat differences is not unconditional. Unmixing layers of water and air are known in Earth's climate. Slight differences in composition can prevent convection. (e.g. salty and fresh water.) Certain chemical processes could cause convection to run in reverse.

Does every planet with a core hotter than its surface violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

> Having said this very briefly, are you actually a proponent of
> the "greenhouse theory" or not?
>

I don't know that I could be called a 'proponent' of the greenhouse theory. It is a reasonable guess, and all science has to start with a reasonable guess. There is light reaching the surface, as a few probes have shown by returning photographs in the visible spectrum. Actual measurements may show something different about total energy transfer. As thick as the atmosphere is, it seems quite possible that the native heat of the planet is held back at the surface in a way that it is not on Earth. Earth's core is still very hot as well, and if we had a several times more insulating atmosphere the surface temperature here might be similar to that on Venus despite our 28 percent greater distance from the sun.

> > "Since neither Earth nor Venus are isolated systems but are
> receiving input from the sun, it is quit possible for their
> behavior to be 'against the grain' of the general trend towards
> entropy. Maybe you were meaning to refer to the idea of "heat
> death"?
>
> Not really.
> Never mind Venus or the Earth, ALL planets emit more heat
> (radiation) than they receive from the Sun.
> However, Venus in this respect, is around 10-15% as much.
>

Oh? When was Mercury measured? Or Pluto? Where is the data? How do you make this assertion if the 'bolometric measurements' haven't been done for Venus, as you said yourself just above?

You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method. Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.



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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 755 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 284 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 290 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 300 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 279 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 750 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 270 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 223 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 232 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 197 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 263 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 233 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 233 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 257 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 219 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 226 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 232 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 231 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 214 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 198 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 207 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 301 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 229 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 217 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 229 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 206 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 181 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 219 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 225 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 228 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 239 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 254 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 224 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 227 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 241 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 277 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 233 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 200 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 220 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 204 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 206 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 286 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 243 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 226 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 195 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 252 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 275 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 242 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 211 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 207 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 230 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 209 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 236 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 246 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 202 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 252 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 254 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 218 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 217 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 189 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 213 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 178 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 279 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 175 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 255 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 218 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 163 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 200 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 230 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 200 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 224 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 209 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 199 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 200 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 187 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 237 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 205 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 214 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 200 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 211 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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