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Diomede wrote:

> Nolondil wrote:
>
> > "Unsupported assertion. Provide evidence that Venus radiates
> more heat than it receives. What astronomical measurements have
> been done that show this? What probes have visited the planet
> and measured its total heat output?>
>
> In simplicity:
>
> Hot air rises!
> Evidenced by changes to this effect in albedo measurements of
> the cloud tops of Venus covering many years.

How many years? Who took the measurements? Where is the data?

And even if it's available, you'd have to have other data to make the case that it 'proves' large scale convection in the atmosphere.

> Bolometric measurements are a different matter and as far as I
> know have not been engaged, no doubt I think for fear of
> embarrasment, in that Venus is indeed a youthful planet.
>

Translation: There is no known evidence for this claim, therefore it must be true because they haven't checked it.

Yeah, right.

> > "Then the earth's atmosphere also violates the Second Law of
> Thermodynamics. For that matter, life violates the Second Law
> of Thermodynamics.
>
> Not really.
>
> In short, most of the visible radiaton is absorbed in the upper
> atmosphere of Venus so that the heat source (the extensive
> cloud cover) is at a low temperature, while the sink (ie the
> surface) is at a high temperature.
> This is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>

Convection due to heat differences is not unconditional. Unmixing layers of water and air are known in Earth's climate. Slight differences in composition can prevent convection. (e.g. salty and fresh water.) Certain chemical processes could cause convection to run in reverse.

Does every planet with a core hotter than its surface violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

> Having said this very briefly, are you actually a proponent of
> the "greenhouse theory" or not?
>

I don't know that I could be called a 'proponent' of the greenhouse theory. It is a reasonable guess, and all science has to start with a reasonable guess. There is light reaching the surface, as a few probes have shown by returning photographs in the visible spectrum. Actual measurements may show something different about total energy transfer. As thick as the atmosphere is, it seems quite possible that the native heat of the planet is held back at the surface in a way that it is not on Earth. Earth's core is still very hot as well, and if we had a several times more insulating atmosphere the surface temperature here might be similar to that on Venus despite our 28 percent greater distance from the sun.

> > "Since neither Earth nor Venus are isolated systems but are
> receiving input from the sun, it is quit possible for their
> behavior to be 'against the grain' of the general trend towards
> entropy. Maybe you were meaning to refer to the idea of "heat
> death"?
>
> Not really.
> Never mind Venus or the Earth, ALL planets emit more heat
> (radiation) than they receive from the Sun.
> However, Venus in this respect, is around 10-15% as much.
>

Oh? When was Mercury measured? Or Pluto? Where is the data? How do you make this assertion if the 'bolometric measurements' haven't been done for Venus, as you said yourself just above?

You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method. Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.



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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 698 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 273 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 670 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 247 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 205 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 213 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 179 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 245 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 217 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 215 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 234 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 200 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 211 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 214 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 206 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 198 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 182 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 187 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 283 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 207 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 197 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 213 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 190 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 165 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 202 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 209 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 209 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 220 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 239 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 224 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 207 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 186 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 213 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 226 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 258 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 218 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 185 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 206 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 189 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 191 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 223 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 212 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 179 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 233 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 240 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 199 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 192 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 187 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 205 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 187 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 212 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 225 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 179 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 227 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 227 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 201 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 191 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 162 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 196 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 129 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 156 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 215 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 197 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 143 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 184 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 205 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 172 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 188 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 189 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 177 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 181 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 169 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 219 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 164 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 197 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 180 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 177 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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