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Diomede wrote:

> Nolondil wrote:
>
> > "Unsupported assertion. Provide evidence that Venus radiates
> more heat than it receives. What astronomical measurements have
> been done that show this? What probes have visited the planet
> and measured its total heat output?>
>
> In simplicity:
>
> Hot air rises!
> Evidenced by changes to this effect in albedo measurements of
> the cloud tops of Venus covering many years.

How many years? Who took the measurements? Where is the data?

And even if it's available, you'd have to have other data to make the case that it 'proves' large scale convection in the atmosphere.

> Bolometric measurements are a different matter and as far as I
> know have not been engaged, no doubt I think for fear of
> embarrasment, in that Venus is indeed a youthful planet.
>

Translation: There is no known evidence for this claim, therefore it must be true because they haven't checked it.

Yeah, right.

> > "Then the earth's atmosphere also violates the Second Law of
> Thermodynamics. For that matter, life violates the Second Law
> of Thermodynamics.
>
> Not really.
>
> In short, most of the visible radiaton is absorbed in the upper
> atmosphere of Venus so that the heat source (the extensive
> cloud cover) is at a low temperature, while the sink (ie the
> surface) is at a high temperature.
> This is a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>

Convection due to heat differences is not unconditional. Unmixing layers of water and air are known in Earth's climate. Slight differences in composition can prevent convection. (e.g. salty and fresh water.) Certain chemical processes could cause convection to run in reverse.

Does every planet with a core hotter than its surface violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

> Having said this very briefly, are you actually a proponent of
> the "greenhouse theory" or not?
>

I don't know that I could be called a 'proponent' of the greenhouse theory. It is a reasonable guess, and all science has to start with a reasonable guess. There is light reaching the surface, as a few probes have shown by returning photographs in the visible spectrum. Actual measurements may show something different about total energy transfer. As thick as the atmosphere is, it seems quite possible that the native heat of the planet is held back at the surface in a way that it is not on Earth. Earth's core is still very hot as well, and if we had a several times more insulating atmosphere the surface temperature here might be similar to that on Venus despite our 28 percent greater distance from the sun.

> > "Since neither Earth nor Venus are isolated systems but are
> receiving input from the sun, it is quit possible for their
> behavior to be 'against the grain' of the general trend towards
> entropy. Maybe you were meaning to refer to the idea of "heat
> death"?
>
> Not really.
> Never mind Venus or the Earth, ALL planets emit more heat
> (radiation) than they receive from the Sun.
> However, Venus in this respect, is around 10-15% as much.
>

Oh? When was Mercury measured? Or Pluto? Where is the data? How do you make this assertion if the 'bolometric measurements' haven't been done for Venus, as you said yourself just above?

You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method. Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.



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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 640 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 610 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 219 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 179 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 184 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 157 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 211 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 180 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 179 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 188 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 184 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 174 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 188 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 172 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 162 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 154 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 162 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 214 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 177 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 158 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 182 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 162 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 137 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 174 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 171 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 185 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 190 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 212 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 200 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 181 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 152 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 182 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 195 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 200 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 191 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 174 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 158 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 184 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 162 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 164 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 192 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 181 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 152 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 121 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 191 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 208 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 161 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 178 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 160 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 170 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 188 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 167 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 174 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 191 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 178 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 155 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 135 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 135 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 123 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 124 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 106 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 100 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 114 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 171 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 157 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 120 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 149 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 168 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 136 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 143 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 156 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 146 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 144 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 143 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 179 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 132 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 162 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 155 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 116 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 120 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 136 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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