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As I have stated elsewhere in this thread, 30 years ago I thought WiC was brilliant but today my opinion is less glowing as my personal education has continued.

Even Velikovsky's interpetations of mythology reveal valid criticism:

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"Myths are obviously a very tricky source of historical information. But with proper care and judgment, much of value can be extracted from them. Does Velikovsky show such care and judgment? Unfortunately he often does not. In at least three important ways Velikovsky's use of mythology is unsound. The first of these is his proclivity to treat all myths as having independent value; the second is the tendency to treat only such material as is consistent with his thesis; and the third is his very unsystematic method....

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"One of Velikovsky's most brilliant passages is that in which he cites the famous scene in the _Iliad_ where Ares and Athene fight on the battleground before Troy. Athene, says Velikovsky, is the planet Venus, and Ares the planet Mars. Here is an allegory of a great cosmological drama of the eighth century B.C., when, as Velikovsky believes, these two planets nearly collided in space. The myth seems decisive evidence for his beliefs. But, on looking more closely at Homer, we see that this incident is one of several that occurred in a scene where various gods and goddesses were depicted as lining up against each other. In another part of this sequence Athene trounces Artemis, a goddess of the earth; in yet another Apollo, the sun god, contemplates a trial of strength with Poseidon, god of the sea. What great cosmological events are referred to in these lines of Homer? Velikovsky does not say; he does not refer to them....

And with regard to the identification of Pallas Athene:
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"He begins by asserting that Pallas Athene was identified with the Babylonian [not Sumerian, contrary to G'thal in S&V] Ishtar. Such a statement is hardly important. After Alexander's conquests the Greeks became aware of the religions of the ancient Near East, and frequently sought points of similarity with their own. Such similarities were often very superfical. Ishtar may have had something in common with Athene, but it would be very surprising if she resembled Athene in every respect. Velikovsky also says, 'Anaitis of the Iranians, too, is identified as Pallas Athene and as the planet Venus.' I checked Velikovsky's reference. The authority says that Anaitis was identified by the Romans with Minerva (Greek Athene) and with Venus (i.e., the goddess Venus, or Aphrodite of the Greeks)[fn. 27: F. Cumont, _Les Mysteres de Mithra_, 3rd ed. (1913), p. 111]. Since Velikovsky is at great pains to point out that the goddess Venus was not the planet of the same name, his statement here is quite misleading. Velikovsky then quotes Plutarch to show that Athene was identified with Isis, and he quotes Pliny to show that Isis was the planet Venus. [However, according to Wolfgang Heimpel in his 1982 paper on Ancient Near Eastern Venus Deities, widely cited by Cochrane, Isis was not associated with planet Venus until Roman times. CLE] It all seems mathematically very correct: Athene equals Isis equals planet Venus. But identifications of this type were common in the Roman empire, a time when Europe was literally flooded with oriental cults. Isis, for example, was identified with the goddess Demeter and with Aphrodite, as well as with Athene. Since identifications varied so much Velikovsky's formula is quite misleading. Moreover, even in the passage cited by Velikovsky, Pliny contradicts him. He says that the planet Venus was identified with Juno (i.e., the Greek Hera). He says nothing about Athene.

"There is, to my knowledge, no evidence that the Greeks ever identified Pallas Athene with the planet Venus. It is in fact interesting to note that, of all the different Greek gods and goddesses associated, at different times, with this planet, the only one missing in one standard discussion is Athene [fn. 29: See Gundel, 'Planeten,' _Pauly-Wissowa_, XX, 2017ff.]. Yet if the great cosmological catastrophes that Velikovsky describes did occur, and if, moreover, they were remembered, as he says, in the world's mythologies, it could hardly be that the Greeks would have entirely forgotten this important identification, which alone provided the clue to the interpretation of those myths."

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The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 609 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 218 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
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What little I understand 177 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
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Re: What little I understand 172 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 160 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
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Laird Scranton 213 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 177 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 158 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 182 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 162 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 137 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
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Possibility of venus as a comet. 174 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 170 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 184 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 188 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 212 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 200 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 180 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 151 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 181 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 193 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 200 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 191 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 173 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 158 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 183 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 161 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 192 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 181 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 152 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 119 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 190 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 208 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 160 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 177 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 158 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 169 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 188 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 166 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 172 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 191 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 173 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 155 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 135 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 135 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 122 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 106 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 100 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 113 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 170 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 156 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 119 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 148 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 165 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 136 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 141 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 156 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 146 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 144 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 142 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 176 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 131 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 160 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 155 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 116 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 120 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 136 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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