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As I have stated elsewhere in this thread, 30 years ago I thought WiC was brilliant but today my opinion is less glowing as my personal education has continued.

Even Velikovsky's interpetations of mythology reveal valid criticism:

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"Myths are obviously a very tricky source of historical information. But with proper care and judgment, much of value can be extracted from them. Does Velikovsky show such care and judgment? Unfortunately he often does not. In at least three important ways Velikovsky's use of mythology is unsound. The first of these is his proclivity to treat all myths as having independent value; the second is the tendency to treat only such material as is consistent with his thesis; and the third is his very unsystematic method....

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"One of Velikovsky's most brilliant passages is that in which he cites the famous scene in the _Iliad_ where Ares and Athene fight on the battleground before Troy. Athene, says Velikovsky, is the planet Venus, and Ares the planet Mars. Here is an allegory of a great cosmological drama of the eighth century B.C., when, as Velikovsky believes, these two planets nearly collided in space. The myth seems decisive evidence for his beliefs. But, on looking more closely at Homer, we see that this incident is one of several that occurred in a scene where various gods and goddesses were depicted as lining up against each other. In another part of this sequence Athene trounces Artemis, a goddess of the earth; in yet another Apollo, the sun god, contemplates a trial of strength with Poseidon, god of the sea. What great cosmological events are referred to in these lines of Homer? Velikovsky does not say; he does not refer to them....

And with regard to the identification of Pallas Athene:
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"He begins by asserting that Pallas Athene was identified with the Babylonian [not Sumerian, contrary to G'thal in S&V] Ishtar. Such a statement is hardly important. After Alexander's conquests the Greeks became aware of the religions of the ancient Near East, and frequently sought points of similarity with their own. Such similarities were often very superfical. Ishtar may have had something in common with Athene, but it would be very surprising if she resembled Athene in every respect. Velikovsky also says, 'Anaitis of the Iranians, too, is identified as Pallas Athene and as the planet Venus.' I checked Velikovsky's reference. The authority says that Anaitis was identified by the Romans with Minerva (Greek Athene) and with Venus (i.e., the goddess Venus, or Aphrodite of the Greeks)[fn. 27: F. Cumont, _Les Mysteres de Mithra_, 3rd ed. (1913), p. 111]. Since Velikovsky is at great pains to point out that the goddess Venus was not the planet of the same name, his statement here is quite misleading. Velikovsky then quotes Plutarch to show that Athene was identified with Isis, and he quotes Pliny to show that Isis was the planet Venus. [However, according to Wolfgang Heimpel in his 1982 paper on Ancient Near Eastern Venus Deities, widely cited by Cochrane, Isis was not associated with planet Venus until Roman times. CLE] It all seems mathematically very correct: Athene equals Isis equals planet Venus. But identifications of this type were common in the Roman empire, a time when Europe was literally flooded with oriental cults. Isis, for example, was identified with the goddess Demeter and with Aphrodite, as well as with Athene. Since identifications varied so much Velikovsky's formula is quite misleading. Moreover, even in the passage cited by Velikovsky, Pliny contradicts him. He says that the planet Venus was identified with Juno (i.e., the Greek Hera). He says nothing about Athene.

"There is, to my knowledge, no evidence that the Greeks ever identified Pallas Athene with the planet Venus. It is in fact interesting to note that, of all the different Greek gods and goddesses associated, at different times, with this planet, the only one missing in one standard discussion is Athene [fn. 29: See Gundel, 'Planeten,' _Pauly-Wissowa_, XX, 2017ff.]. Yet if the great cosmological catastrophes that Velikovsky describes did occur, and if, moreover, they were remembered, as he says, in the world's mythologies, it could hardly be that the Greeks would have entirely forgotten this important identification, which alone provided the clue to the interpretation of those myths."

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The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 673 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
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Laird Scranton 283 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
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Possibility of venus as a comet. 203 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
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Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 209 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 222 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 241 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 224 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 208 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 186 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 213 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 260 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 219 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
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Mod Note 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
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Venus see--Venus do 234 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
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Re: Venus see--Venus do 199 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
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Re: Venus see--Venus do 188 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 205 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 188 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
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Re: Venus see--Venus do 226 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 180 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 230 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 228 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 203 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 192 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 163 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 198 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 160 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 132 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 133 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 157 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 215 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 200 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 144 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 184 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 209 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 175 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 190 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 190 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 177 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 182 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 170 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 219 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 166 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 198 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 181 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 180 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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