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Diomede wrote:

> In short, the planet Venus is a relative newcomer to the family
> of planets...albeit just some 3,500 yeas old (since having
> circularized its orbit) and having also usurped the orbit of
> Mars, which was then an inner planet (between the Earth and the
> Sun).

This quotation has bothered me since I first read it. Its been a long time since I read WIC and I don't remember all of the details. I recall Venus was supposed to have been ejected from Jupiter, hurled toward the inner solar system, had a close encounter with earth and close encounter with Mars and settled into a nice circular orbit of very low inclination. I did not recall this exchange of planetary orbits for Mars until you mentioned it.

Having done studies in planetary orbital dynamics (I am not professing to be expert) I am aware that the energy required to accomplish this feat of ejection, hurl through space, close encounter with earth, close encounter with Mars and eventual orbit requires an enormous initial energy followed by a nearly perfect release of energy to just the proper amounts to establish a nice neat orbit of the correct velocity all the while preserving the overall energy of the system. This ignores the surge of energy required to push Mars from one orbit two whole orbits farther from the sun. In addition, all of this occurred without perturbing the nearly circular obits of the other inner planets and their moons.

This scenario creates many problems:
1. Where did the energy come from to launch Venus at escape velocity from the core of Jupiter?
2. How did an object the size of Venus escape without perturbing the orbits of Jupiter's many moons?
3. How did the tidal friction of the earth/venus close encounter not melt the surface of both planets?
4. How was the orbit of the earth and its moon unperturbed by the encounter with venus?
5. How did the tidal friction of the mars/venus close encounter not melt the surface of both planets?
6. How did mars suddenly accelerate, jump two orbits, then decelerate into its present orbit?
7. How did venus acquire the proper state vectors to achieve a low inclination, circular orbit?
8. Considering Mars experienced incredible tidal forces from Venus, then acquired sufficient energy to jump orbits, why is it so cold? After a few thousand years shouldn't it still be much warmer than it is?
9.Why was there a gap in the orbital sequence between Jupiter and earth which became the convenient home of Mars in nearly perfect accord with the Titius-Bode law?

In short, the angular momentum and energy of the system must be preserved. The excess energies of the jumping planets can not be reconciled by conventional science and mathematics.

When I first read Velikovsky in ca. 1971, I thought it the most profound work I had ever encountered. Today, I have a much different point of view.

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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 755 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 280 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 284 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 290 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 299 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 749 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 269 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 221 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 230 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 197 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 261 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 233 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 232 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 257 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 218 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 226 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 231 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 231 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 213 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 196 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 206 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 300 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 229 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 217 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 229 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 206 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 181 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 219 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 224 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 228 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 237 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 254 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 224 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 205 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 227 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 241 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 276 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 233 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 226 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 200 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 220 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 204 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 206 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 243 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 226 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 195 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 186 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 249 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 273 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 242 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 210 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 207 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 230 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 208 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 236 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 245 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 201 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 252 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 253 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 218 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 216 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 189 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 213 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 177 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 195 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 174 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 254 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 216 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 163 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 200 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 230 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 199 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 224 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 209 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 199 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 199 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 187 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 237 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 205 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 214 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 200 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 211 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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