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Hi David,

Thanks for the links, which are a pot porri of comments that rather superficially describe a vast number of geological studies that were not available to Velikovsky when he initially formulated his theory. The numbers of studies and the reported time frames seem wildly inconsistent with any simplistic catastrophic theory that postulates a recent encounter between Earth and Venus--at least one which relies on "Woerzel ash" for evidence.

However, Ellenberger, a harsh critic of Velikovsky, seems to find credence in hypotheses by others who suggest alternative cosmological events, similar to events postulated by Velikovsky, which might not be so easy to discredit. Our own Andy Blackard carried out a literature review from his own collection of sources (see the Forum) that suggested that there had been many documented catastrophies, but not all in the same place at the same time.

Laird is clearly trying to take a fresh look at this literature. I could give you very convincing examples in the visual sciences (for example color vision) in which theories seemingly as farfetched as those by Velikovsky led to better and better truly scientific theories that still are being corrected and improved upon today.

I'm not an expert in this area, but reviews that you cited which fail to get into the complexities of the methodology and the limitations of the findings, with an assumed but never stated hypothesis that all of this can be explained by some sort of Gaeia model of events on this planet seem as convoluted to me as Velikovsky probably does to you.

Carl Sagan is sometimes considered the antithesis to Velikovsky. They were once to have a grand debate in which it was widely expected that Sagan (the scientist) would trounce Velikovsky (the interloper). But I was at Cornell University when Sagan was there, and I know that he was not on the physics faculty, and only taught critical thinking at Cornell--not science. He was considered to be a popularizer of science, and a scientist wannabe--not a scientist himself. When he finally wrote a novel, near his death, he ended up proposing "wormholes" as respectable "scientific" explanations of time travel (as in the movie "Contact.") Sagan may have been just as fanciful as Velikovsky.

What do you think? How can we come up with an updated credible version of Velikovsky that links ancient onground cosmology with Venus and catastrophic events?

Best,

Ray


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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 617 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 201 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 181 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 169 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 192 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 134 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 139 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 577 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 203 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 161 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 174 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 150 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 200 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 150 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 160 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 165 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 168 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 174 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 176 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 156 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 173 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 168 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 154 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 142 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 159 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 152 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 171 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 158 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 146 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
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Laird Scranton 205 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
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Moderator Note: 150 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
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Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 157 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 128 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 149 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 165 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 157 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 175 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 181 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 204 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 196 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 174 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 147 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 174 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 166 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 191 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 188 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 182 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 168 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
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Re: Mod Note 148 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 168 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 148 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 157 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 147 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 175 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 174 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 187 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 173 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 139 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 145 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 182 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 191 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 151 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 151 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 149 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 164 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 140 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 159 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 180 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 158 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 160 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 182 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 155 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 149 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 124 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 154 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 130 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 138 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 126 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 162 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 161 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 140 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 153 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 166 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 113 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 108 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 101 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 130 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 94 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 155 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 144 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 141 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 152 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 143 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 106 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 157 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 146 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 110 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 137 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 139 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 156 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 127 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 130 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 149 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 136 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 140 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 139 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 157 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 125 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 149 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 140 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 105 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 131 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 114 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 164 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 142 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 151 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 124 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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