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Thunderbird wrote:

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> What if Vyse did find some graffiti,.....and then added the 2
> Royal Cartouches in 2 seperate chambers.

The cartouches do not appear in isolation: they are components of longer inscriptions (crew names) which would require of the inscriber a knowledge of the language and script well beyond that of experts in 1837, let alone an amateur like Vyse.

There are also several examples of the Horus name (a non-cartouche royal name) - well beyond the state of knowledge in 1837.

> Vyse is having conflict with Caviglia,
> he''s firing/dismissing formen and workers,

As Vyse was funding the work, he was arguably entitled to dismiss those foremen and workers he found unsatisfactory - including Caviglia (who was long gone by the time the graffiti were discovered).

> his contemporaries of the day in Egyptology cannot make heads
> or tails of the weird graffiti

Read what Samuel Birch wrote. He attributed his difficulties (quite realistically) to the limitations of contemporary knowledge: there is not the least suggestion in his remarks that the graffiti were suspect. (If the Egyptologists of his time cried ‘forgery’ every time they found something difficult, they’d have done little else.) The graffiti have been plentifully studied since 1837; it wasn’t until the early 20th century that significant progress was made. The graffiti are no more problematic than other (genuine) inscriptions.

> which is grotesquely huge

Graffiti often is grotesquely huge, then as now.

>.....and the royal cartouches.
>
> and ya....no royal cartouches found in red ochre in the other
> giza pyramids,

Wrong (and plenty were found by Reisner in the Menkaure temples).

> and not in Davidson chamber late 1700'S,...

There are traces.

> Only in the chambers Vyse blows out!
>
> Thats suspicious,
> why would a Pharaoh reveal his glory in chambers no can
> see,...or know about,
> why not in the open more elsewhere's at the GP?
>
> Vyse hits Red Ochre lottery again at Zosers pyramid : )
>
> I think its possible Vyse had Hill fraud the Khufu
> cartouches,.....

If Vyse knew enough to do this, he would have been the leading Egyptologist of his day. He could have had all the fame he could handle (his supposed motivation) without the risk of forgery.

> even if there was some graffiti scribble on blocks,

Ockham.

> [Maybe this is why his first days record on chamber entrance is
> silent concerning Graffiti or mason marks,.....

A record you’ve never read - so why comment on it?

[snip]

M.


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Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 576 loveritas 29-Jan-08 11:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 334 Raja 29-Jan-08 12:50
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 313 Graham Hancock 29-Jan-08 13:31
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 314 turnofthetide 29-Jan-08 16:22
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 294 Raja 29-Jan-08 17:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass 312 Oddity 29-Jan-08 17:43
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 266 Houcad 29-Jan-08 17:51
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 332 Raja 29-Jan-08 17:56
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 303 Houcad 30-Jan-08 12:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 343 Raja 30-Jan-08 12:37
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 297 solitaire 29-Jan-08 17:52
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 322 Warwick 29-Jan-08 18:05
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 323 solitaire 29-Jan-08 20:36
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 317 Warwick 30-Jan-08 16:14
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 328 gulsbo 30-Jan-08 20:09
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 339 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 20:16
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 247 Jon B 29-Jan-08 20:56
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 303 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 22:28
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 293 Jon B 30-Jan-08 07:31
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 202 Raja 29-Jan-08 21:10
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 293 Me 29-Jan-08 23:49
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 339 Raja 30-Jan-08 07:20
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 300 Me 31-Jan-08 00:20
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 292 Raja 31-Jan-08 01:54
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 315 Me 31-Jan-08 19:12
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 364 Raja 31-Jan-08 19:22
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 266 Warwick 01-Feb-08 17:34
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 272 Raja 01-Feb-08 19:02
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 317 Warwick 01-Feb-08 19:43
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 295 Raja 01-Feb-08 20:34
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 363 Warwick 01-Feb-08 20:49
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 319 Raja 02-Feb-08 07:29
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 294 Raja 02-Feb-08 08:43
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 343 Warwick 02-Feb-08 17:27
Re: Inventory Stela 291 Thunderbird 30-Jan-08 02:55
Re: Inventory Stela 347 Raja 30-Jan-08 12:17
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 316 bofl 30-Jan-08 00:14
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 364 Scott Creighton 29-Jan-08 18:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 325 Daz407 29-Jan-08 18:48
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 354 gulsbo 29-Jan-08 19:42
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 328 Me 29-Jan-08 23:53
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 321 MALaclypse 30-Jan-08 06:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 268 gulsbo 30-Jan-08 12:22
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 292 Me 31-Jan-08 00:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 308 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 15:47
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 315 Me 31-Jan-08 19:17
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 300 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 19:28
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 259 Raja 31-Jan-08 19:59
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 330 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 20:13
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 300 ninja 30-Jan-08 23:29
How convenient... 346 Nejc 30-Jan-08 11:56
Re: How convenient... 316 damthatbeaver 31-Jan-08 04:37
Re: How convenient... 276 Warwick 31-Jan-08 16:18
Re: How convenient... 332 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 20:11
Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 329 Citizen Attorney 31-Jan-08 01:41
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 316 Raja 31-Jan-08 02:24
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 318 Warwick 31-Jan-08 16:27
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 335 Citizen Attorney 02-Feb-08 15:10
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 319 Warwick 02-Feb-08 17:35
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 338 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 02:16
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 289 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 17:30
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 277 Raja 03-Feb-08 18:20
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 312 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 22:58
Quotation please 267 Warwick 04-Feb-08 21:29
Re: Quotation please 279 Citizen Attorney 05-Feb-08 02:32
Re: Quotation please 295 Warwick 05-Feb-08 17:33
Re: Quotation please 298 Raja 05-Feb-08 20:08
Re: Quotation please 303 Warwick 05-Feb-08 21:34
Re: Quotation please 247 Raja 05-Feb-08 21:50
Re: Quotation please 294 Me 06-Feb-08 01:09
Re: Quotation please 333 MALaclypse 06-Feb-08 02:32
Re: Quotation please 322 Warwick 07-Feb-08 00:24
Re: Quotation please 283 Citizen Attorney 06-Feb-08 02:09
Re: Quotation please 295 Citizen Attorney 07-Feb-08 03:44
Re: Quotation please 291 Warwick 09-Feb-08 00:47
Re: Quotation please 298 Ahatmose 09-Feb-08 01:11
Re: Quotation please 170 Warwick 09-Feb-08 01:32
Re: Quotation please 317 Ahatmose 09-Feb-08 01:44
Re: Quotation please 284 Warwick 09-Feb-08 02:38
Re: Quotation please 272 damthatbeaver 09-Feb-08 02:18
hoist on his own petard 314 Warwick 09-Feb-08 02:49
The "A" word. 311 Raja 09-Feb-08 04:50
Re: The "A" word. 305 Warwick 10-Feb-08 04:50
Re: The "A" word. 285 Raja 10-Feb-08 13:32
Re: The "A" word. 190 Warwick 10-Feb-08 19:44
The end. 303 Raja 10-Feb-08 20:37
Re: The end. 271 Warwick 10-Feb-08 21:26
Re: hoist on his own petard 291 damthatbeaver 09-Feb-08 10:37
Re: hoist on his own petard 312 Me 10-Feb-08 00:54
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 293 Daz407 31-Jan-08 18:52
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 273 loveritas 01-Feb-08 11:39
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 285 Warwick 01-Feb-08 17:43
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 297 Graham Hancock 02-Feb-08 10:59
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 263 Raja 02-Feb-08 19:34
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 277 Me 03-Feb-08 00:22
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 346 gulsbo 02-Feb-08 19:44
Re: Hancock and Hawass 321 Warwick 02-Feb-08 17:34
Re: Hancock and Hawass 281 Jon B 02-Feb-08 20:29
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 256 gulsbo 03-Feb-08 18:56
Re: Hancock and Hawass 331 Warwick 04-Feb-08 21:32
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 289 William Glyn-Jones 05-Feb-08 11:13
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 271 Houcad 29-Jan-08 13:51
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 300 damthatbeaver 31-Jan-08 04:19
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 286 Houcad 31-Jan-08 05:08
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 306 mt20tyom 03-Feb-08 20:19
Re: Hancock and Hawass 308 solitaire 03-Feb-08 20:57
Re: Graffiti 354 Thunderbird 04-Feb-08 18:47
Re: Graffiti 314 Raja 04-Feb-08 21:33
Re: Graffiti 362 Martin Stower 15-Feb-08 18:47
Re: Hancock and Hawass 346 Martin Stower 15-Feb-08 18:16
Re: Hancock and Hawass 297 solitaire 16-Feb-08 03:15
Re: Hancock and Hawass 290 Martin Stower 16-Feb-08 22:58
Re: Hancock and Hawass 185 Warwick 17-Feb-08 19:43
Re: Hancock and Hawass 282 Martin Stower 18-Feb-08 21:09
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Re: Alpha and Omega 338 Martin Stower 22-Feb-08 16:14
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 286 ninja 18-Feb-08 10:20
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Zahi defends a world that fears and detests him 301 Me 16-Feb-08 01:05
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Re: Alford's refuation of Sitchin 270 damthatbeaver 16-Feb-08 10:51
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Re: entertainment vs. enlightenment 297 Me 12-Feb-08 01:22
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Re: entertainment vs. enlightenment 292 MALaclypse 12-Feb-08 20:46
Re: entertainment vs. enlightenment 284 Warwick 12-Feb-08 22:42
Is Zahi Hawass to blame for rubbish books and TV too? 312 Me 13-Feb-08 00:53
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It was KHUFU 101: 307 Warwick 14-Feb-08 16:48
Re: It was KHUFU 101: 322 richarddullum 15-Feb-08 02:44
Re: It was KHUFU 101: 307 Warwick 15-Feb-08 18:04
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Re: Is Zahi Hawass to blame for rubbish books and TV too? 302 gulsbo 15-Feb-08 21:21
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excavations reveal bones... 288 Ghia 06-Feb-08 02:35
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