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Scott Creighton wrote:

I do have to say that I have the utmost respect for
> Robert Bauval's work since, after all, he did make the initial
> connection - the breakthrough - with the Giza pyramids and
> Orion's Belt. From that moment no one has ever seen the
> Pyramids in the same light again - they were no longer simply
> 'tombs' but something much, much more. Robert Bauval was the
> man who opened up this debate and we should all be grateful to
> him for doing that.

You're right up to a point. The initial observation was a paradigm shift, but after that his theory quickly went nowhere, and now he's bogged down in the minutia of ancient Egyptian religion, desperately trying to make his Orion theories palatable to mainstream Egyptologists whilst still his selling books to alternate fans.

I have no time for this type of mummery I'm afraid. In a sense, the "outsider" has become the new establishment, and his stale ideas simply get in the way now. I'm glad to see the debate finally open up like this and a new generation of thinkers coming forward with ideas that actually go somewhere.

I notice (it's very obvious reading through old threads) that Bauval tends to ignore you when you post here. I initially thought that this was because (as I thought then) that he felt that you were ripping off his ideas, but I suspect now he's simply hoping that you go away, because your ideas blow his out of the water. Your interpretation of Giza in one of your earlier presentations is amazing, and you use many elements which Bauval simply ignores. Your use of the Cult and Queens pyramids as precise dating mechanisms is inspired, and far beyond anything he has ever conceived. I didn't even know of the "concavities" of the two pyramids until you mentioned them... no one else seems to know they even exist.

I have to correct something I said just the other day, that I'd never seen a satisfactory explanation for the shafts (the ones from the Queen's Chanber not reaching out to the external walls, that is). Your theory seems to explain them extraordinarily well when it all slots together, and I take my hat off to you. That's inspired thinking.

I admire people like Graham Hancock, people who push the boundaries of what we know, who ask impossible questions, who will never sell out or treat their ideas as a "brand", and who will never become the "establishment". Look to him if you want a role model, Scott, and keep these new ideas coming. You've had me playing around with Google Earth ever since I grasped the gist of your presentation. It's mind blowing stuff.



Lonely Angel


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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 464 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 255 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 292 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 314 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 273 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 324 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 368 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 307 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 311 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 280 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 335 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 287 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 300 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 295 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 315 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 265 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 270 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 283 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 250 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 306 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 290 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 256 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 216 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 277 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 313 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 309 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 286 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 176 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 282 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 216 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 257 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 270 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 228 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 259 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 283 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 288 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 196 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 251 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 247 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 274 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 262 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 309 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 247 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 398 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 323 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 309 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 269 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 318 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 155 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 257 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 306 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 304 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 273 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 213 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 294 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 286 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 241 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 321 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 222 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 236 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 278 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 277 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 270 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 249 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 295 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 263 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 315 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 267 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 243 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 231 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 299 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 320 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 281 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 331 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 321 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 285 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 310 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 277 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 278 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 260 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 316 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 282 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 329 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 286 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 217 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 196 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 262 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 281 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 317 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 245 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 281 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 257 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 186 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 285 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 262 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 128 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 290 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 289 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 297 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 280 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 326 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 287 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 286 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 262 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 310 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 306 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 287 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 293 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 308 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 241 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 285 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 252 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 266 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 263 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 284 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 313 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 236 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 286 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 308 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 303 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 309 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 243 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 358 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 228 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 311 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 357 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 272 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 288 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 236 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 285 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 294 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 307 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 327 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 305 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 269 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 307 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 286 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 280 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 286 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 280 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 299 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 268 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 277 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 326 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 296 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 329 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 370 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 275 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 243 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 223 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 331 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 324 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 332 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 283 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 254 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 266 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 264 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 248 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 292 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 290 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 269 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 294 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 289 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 262 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 310 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 238 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 315 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 305 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 306 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 344 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 283 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 234 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 295 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 291 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 349 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 262 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 296 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 323 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 277 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 282 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 251 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 297 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 285 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 314 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 251 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 246 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 283 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 311 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 317 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57


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