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Scott Creighton wrote:

I do have to say that I have the utmost respect for
> Robert Bauval's work since, after all, he did make the initial
> connection - the breakthrough - with the Giza pyramids and
> Orion's Belt. From that moment no one has ever seen the
> Pyramids in the same light again - they were no longer simply
> 'tombs' but something much, much more. Robert Bauval was the
> man who opened up this debate and we should all be grateful to
> him for doing that.

You're right up to a point. The initial observation was a paradigm shift, but after that his theory quickly went nowhere, and now he's bogged down in the minutia of ancient Egyptian religion, desperately trying to make his Orion theories palatable to mainstream Egyptologists whilst still his selling books to alternate fans.

I have no time for this type of mummery I'm afraid. In a sense, the "outsider" has become the new establishment, and his stale ideas simply get in the way now. I'm glad to see the debate finally open up like this and a new generation of thinkers coming forward with ideas that actually go somewhere.

I notice (it's very obvious reading through old threads) that Bauval tends to ignore you when you post here. I initially thought that this was because (as I thought then) that he felt that you were ripping off his ideas, but I suspect now he's simply hoping that you go away, because your ideas blow his out of the water. Your interpretation of Giza in one of your earlier presentations is amazing, and you use many elements which Bauval simply ignores. Your use of the Cult and Queens pyramids as precise dating mechanisms is inspired, and far beyond anything he has ever conceived. I didn't even know of the "concavities" of the two pyramids until you mentioned them... no one else seems to know they even exist.

I have to correct something I said just the other day, that I'd never seen a satisfactory explanation for the shafts (the ones from the Queen's Chanber not reaching out to the external walls, that is). Your theory seems to explain them extraordinarily well when it all slots together, and I take my hat off to you. That's inspired thinking.

I admire people like Graham Hancock, people who push the boundaries of what we know, who ask impossible questions, who will never sell out or treat their ideas as a "brand", and who will never become the "establishment". Look to him if you want a role model, Scott, and keep these new ideas coming. You've had me playing around with Google Earth ever since I grasped the gist of your presentation. It's mind blowing stuff.



Lonely Angel


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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 509 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 279 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 312 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 325 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 304 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 345 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 390 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 334 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 334 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 300 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 354 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 309 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 322 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 326 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 336 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 285 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 310 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 274 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 314 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 277 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 237 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 289 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 336 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 206 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 239 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 293 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 292 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 252 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 282 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 327 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 303 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 225 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 312 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 272 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 267 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 297 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 288 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 417 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 345 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 329 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 292 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 339 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 187 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 307 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 303 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 276 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 386 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 233 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 321 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 309 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 262 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 347 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 243 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 257 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 420 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 314 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 272 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 351 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 287 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 350 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 278 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 267 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 253 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 320 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 299 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 289 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 343 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 305 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 352 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 312 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 237 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 216 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 312 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 307 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 267 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 303 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 278 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 218 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 303 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 283 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 151 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 313 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 320 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 387 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 320 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 304 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 375 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 308 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 287 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 317 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 327 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 310 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 314 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 328 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 270 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 307 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 273 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 287 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 287 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 306 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 333 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 263 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 307 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 328 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 324 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 263 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 389 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 247 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 336 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 382 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 266 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 305 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 321 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 361 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 333 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 288 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 326 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 317 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 300 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 312 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 314 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 319 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 290 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 297 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 346 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 326 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 350 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 402 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 300 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 270 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 240 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 355 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 306 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 293 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 291 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 331 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 276 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 335 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 314 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 282 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 332 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 260 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 333 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 327 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 317 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 361 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 309 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 253 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 322 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 309 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 367 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 279 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 324 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 346 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 305 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 301 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 272 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 315 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 306 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 338 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 272 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 266 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 303 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 336 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 337 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57


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