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Yes, Dodwell! Well placed Kim.

I have done some research into this.
Actually, Dodwell concluded that the earth’s axis recovered slowly after a sudden change ‘from a former nearly vertical position to an inclination of 26½ degrees, from which it was returned to an equilibrium at the present inclination of 23½ degrees.’ [1]

Here’s an extract from a paper on Dodwell’s thesis written by Dr. Carl Wieland:

‘A wobbling top will slowly right itself, but never moves all the way back to its former more upright position. If you plotted its behaviour on a graph it would show as a log sine curve. Dodwell’s graphs indicated that the earth had been pushed over 27 degrees and from that time until 1850 had been slowly moving back to 23½ degrees which it is today’. [2]

How did Dodwell arrive at his conclusions that the axis had tilted suddenly?
Well we are told in the history and science books that over 2,000 years ago great thinkers like Eratosthenes of Cyrene (276–194 BCE) and Abu Abdullah Al-Battani of Harran, (868–929 AD) had managed to calculate the tilt of the earth by using a simple stick. They would place a stick vertically in the ground on a level surface and then measure the length of the shadow.
They understood that the changing angles of the sun’s rays and at different times of the year should result in different length shadows if the same stick is measured at specific times – i.e., always at noon and especially during the solstices and the equinoxes.
The stick would measure a very short shadow during the Summer Solstice (caused by the sun being high in the sky) and a long shadow during the Winter Solstice (caused by the sun being low in the sky.)
They then used simple trigonometry to determine the angular variation of the sun and found that the angular height varies around 23.5o – or whatever the obliquity (tilt) of the earth’s axis was at that time – between either the equinoxes and the solstices.
With good reason I shall again quote Dr. Carl Weiland, who also informs us of this ancient method:

‘Measuring the lengths of the shortest and longest shadows was very important to these ancient astronomers, as their religious feasts were tied to these two special days. If you got the measurements wrong, your head would probably roll! So these results were carefully recorded on stone and papyrus. Many of the measurements taken over the past 3000 years from places such as China, Europe, England, India and Egypt are available to us today. The length of the shadow really depends on the tilt of the earth’. [3]

Or rather that the changing length of the shadow in one place at different times of the year, depends on the tilt of the earth, because if the earth were upright there would be no change – or maybe only a very slight change depending on the change in the elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun – i.e., how far or how near the earth is to the sun.

NOTE: with this information we can now decipher the painting by Guercino - ET IN ARCADIA EGO.
See here: [www.world-mysteries.com]
This is certainly not off topic and I'm not 'gatecrashing' Scott's thread here as this is all connected and needs to be said and acknowledged. These paintings are not - well not exclusively - about the bloodline of Christ as suggested by the authors of The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail and by others. I am certain these paintings are bringing attention to the ancient 'global catastrophe scenario' which I am now seriously considering in light of mine and Scott's own research and findings.

Anyway, we are told by Dr. Weiland that Dodwell began reviewing these ancient measurements and he noticed that the shadow lengths recorded before 1850 A.D. were different than expected and that the farther back in time he went with these measurements, the greater the difference. Dodwell knew these measurements were meticulously recorded and therefore were correct without a doubt and on pain of death – which could only mean that in the past, the earth’s axis was tilted differently. Again I will quote Dr. Weiland:

‘When Dodwell graphed the results of how the axis was tilted, based on shadow lengths, they formed a regular curve, known technically as a log sine curve. The results surprised him, but compelled him to conclude that the earth’s axis had been behaving as if it was a centre of a spinning top which had been pushed over’. [4]

Dodwell’s hypothesis?

That an asteroid or comet must have struck the earth – possibly changing the tilt of the earth’s axis and causing the Biblical Flood – a cataclysm that had been recorded by many different cultures around the world.

Thanks for reminding me Kim.
Best,
Gary

References.

1. Letter from George F. Dodwell to Dr. Arthur J. Brandenberger, Professor of photogrammetry at Laval University in Quebec, Canada. Source: In Search of Noah’s Ark by Dave Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier Jr, 1976, USA, pp. 44 – 46.

2. Wieland. Dr., Carl, An Asteroid Tilts the Earth. Ex Nihilo, January 1983, pp. 12-14.

3. Ibid

4. Ibid

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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 549 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 339 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 326 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 367 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 406 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 353 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 352 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 324 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 370 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 331 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 342 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 346 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 355 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 301 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 310 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 297 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 306 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 255 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 307 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 226 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 335 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 269 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 311 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 271 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 370 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 393 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 241 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 374 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 282 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 312 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 298 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 435 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 364 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 348 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 318 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 360 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 205 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 294 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 411 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 253 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 326 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 326 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 282 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 367 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 263 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 274 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 326 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 445 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 320 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 303 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 368 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 297 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 290 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 277 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 404 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 320 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 374 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 327 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 365 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 332 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 386 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 329 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 256 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 231 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 308 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 327 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 386 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 283 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 297 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 258 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 321 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 303 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 171 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 332 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 407 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 357 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 327 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 400 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 323 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 307 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 333 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 344 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 333 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 336 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 357 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 289 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 326 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 293 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 305 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 311 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 335 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 349 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 284 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 328 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 345 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 341 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 281 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 407 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 265 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 356 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 403 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 313 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 290 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 326 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 384 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 350 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 307 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 346 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 336 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 321 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 330 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 338 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 338 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 309 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 320 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 372 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 349 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 366 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 419 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 322 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 295 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 256 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 379 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 406 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 361 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 331 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 336 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 351 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 303 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 355 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 283 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 358 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 344 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 351 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 380 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 329 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 273 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 344 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 328 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 386 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 299 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 344 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 381 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 325 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 320 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 293 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 333 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 330 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 361 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 287 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 287 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 324 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 367 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 352 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57

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