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Laird Scranton wrote:

> I can show that what Griaule reported includes all of
> the key elements of a wholly coherent, valid, and
> well-documented cosmological form, and so could not have been
> the product of simple fabrication by either the Dogon priests
> or Griaule.

There appears to be an area of fundamental disagreement here. According to one school of thought, there’s a possibility that the Dogon do not, and did not, possess traditions of an all-embracing, ordered cosmos of the sort that you describe. A structured world-view of this sort is more likely to be derived from Western thought rather than from the mythical thought of a native African people such as the Dogon. In this context, the word “fabrication” might not be the aptest term.

It has been suggested in some quarters that what might have happened was that the Dogon informants did not realize that, during their conversations, Griaule was unconsciously giving them an insight into his world view – the Western world view. Anxious to please Griaule, they then told the man what, intuitively, they knew that he wanted to hear. I’m sure that no one doubts the sincerity and conscientiousness of his attempts to accurately convey what the Dogon told him. But the thing is: what did they tell him? If they were reading signals that he was unconsciously sending them during their conversations, and unwittingly incorporating those signals into their replies, then Griaule’s accounts, fascinating though they are, cannot be wholly reliable. Other researchers report finding little evidence to support the kind of coherent, large scale Dogon world-view that he records.

It seems, however, as if we shall have to wait for publication of the article before the discussion can be taken any further.

Merrell

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