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Laird Scranton wrote:

> Many of the most ancient traditions involve deep symbolism that
> is reserved for priests and initiates. The prevailing view is
> that knowledge was hidden in order to preserve it. However,
> when you examine this proposition, it may not really hold
> water.
>
> First of all, ask yourself how many poems you know which are
> over 100 years old. Chances are, the ones you remember are
> nursery rhymes, or poems you memorized in school or during
> religious instruction - such as were taught to virtuall ALL
> children in some cultures. Based on this one example, it would
> seem that it is the widespread teaching of knowledge - not the
> hiding of it - that best preserves it.
>
> Secondly, in many esoteric religions such as the Dogon,
> virtually anyone could potentially become an initiate, simply
> by asking penetrating and orderly questions of a knowledgeable
> priest. In fact, the Dogon priests are actually obligated to
> answer a question if it is presented in an orderly way (if a
> question is asked out of context or out of order, the priest is
> obligated to remain silent).
>
> So I post this question to anyone interested: If the primary
> motive for hiding esoteric knowledge was not to preserve it,
> and in particular if the goal was not ultimately to shield this
> knowledge from the view of the average person, then why WAS the
> esoteric knowledge being hidden? And who was it being hidden
> from?
>

You've got the wrong sense of 'preserve'. And you've answered your own question in the process of asking it.

Answer these questions for yourself:

Why does the Dogon priest remain silent when presented with groping, aimless, 'idle curiousity' type questions?

And why is the Dogon priest obligated answer an 'orderly' question?

The answer has to do with the nature of 'esoteric' knowledge. It must be preserved -- that is, maintained -- not merely 'continued' by duplication but preserved in its proper form. And that means true understanding must be maintained, not just the words. How many of those 'nursery rhymes' you mention are understood anymore? Does anyone know for certain what 'ring around the rosey' means anymore? Does anyone know what the 'hey diddle diddle' rhyme with the cow jumping over the moon and whatnot really means anymore? The words have been preserved (or maybe not... we can't even be certain of that) but not the knowledge.

So, the true initiate is obligated to protect his esoteric knowledge from mere curiousity so that it is not corrupted. But is also obligated to give it to those who are able to truly understand it both for the immediate benefit of the individual seeker and so that it may be preserved for the future.

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Hidden Knowledge 389 Laird Scranton 05-Apr-05 21:29
Re: Hidden Knowledge 224 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 21:56
Re: Hidden Knowledge 234 Joyeuse 05-Apr-05 23:16
Re: Hidden Knowledge 224 Citizen Attorney 06-Apr-05 03:26
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Re: Hidden Knowledge 226 Jerome 06-Apr-05 00:52
Re: Hidden Knowledge 221 Haggai 06-Apr-05 02:21
Re: Hidden Knowledge 201 Joyeuse 06-Apr-05 02:53
Re: Hidden Knowledge 219 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 15:47
Re: Hidden Knowledge 215 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 15:51
Re: Hidden Knowledge 267 Biker 06-Apr-05 02:40
Re: Hidden Knowledge 238 Joyeuse 06-Apr-05 03:03
Re: Hidden Knowledge 188 Farseeker 06-Apr-05 14:12
Re: Hidden Knowledge 228 Biker 06-Apr-05 15:47
Re: Hidden Knowledge 202 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 15:49
Re: Hidden Knowledge 263 David L 06-Apr-05 02:46
A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 240 David L 06-Apr-05 02:51
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 170 Joyeuse 06-Apr-05 03:05
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 237 Cesar 06-Apr-05 08:17
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 221 David L 06-Apr-05 15:51
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 235 Cesar 08-Apr-05 08:06
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 261 David L 08-Apr-05 16:43
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 231 Joyeuse 08-Apr-05 18:06
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 262 Cesar 08-Apr-05 20:04
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 204 David L 08-Apr-05 23:39
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 204 Cesar 09-Apr-05 02:17
Re: A PS on Jesus & the pearls before swine 187 David L 09-Apr-05 16:55
Re: Hidden Knowledge 219 Caduceus 06-Apr-05 07:25
Re: Hidden Knowledge 156 David L 06-Apr-05 15:47
Re: Hidden Knowledge 214 Caduceus 07-Apr-05 03:56
Re: Hidden Knowledge 246 David L 07-Apr-05 16:23
Re: Hidden Knowledge 217 Farseeker 06-Apr-05 14:15
Re: Hidden Knowledge 233 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 15:53
Re: Hidden Knowledge 245 David L 06-Apr-05 23:31
Re: Hidden Knowledge 205 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 00:04
Re: Hidden Knowledge 220 David L 07-Apr-05 02:52
Re: Hidden Knowledge 221 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 03:56
Re: Hidden Knowledge 200 Joyeuse 06-Apr-05 03:57
Re: Hidden Knowledge 235 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 04:52
Re: Hidden Knowledge 252 JamesH 06-Apr-05 09:20
Re: Hidden Knowledge 195 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 16:00
Re: Hidden Knowledge 223 JamesH 06-Apr-05 18:15
Re: Hidden Knowledge 273 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 21:50
Re: Hidden Knowledge 243 Elizabeth Newton 07-Apr-05 08:49
Re: Hidden Knowledge 232 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 11:47
Re: Hidden Knowledge 185 Elizabeth Newton 07-Apr-05 15:28
Re: Hidden Knowledge 215 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 21:17
Re: Hidden Knowledge 193 debraregypt 07-Apr-05 21:26
Re: Hidden Knowledge 223 Gary Osborn 07-Apr-05 22:55
Re: Hidden Knowledge 202 Elizabeth Newton 08-Apr-05 07:35
Re: Hidden Knowledge 193 Gary Osborn 07-Apr-05 15:31
Re: Hidden Knowledge 234 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 21:18
Re: why hide it 226 Nebankh 07-Apr-05 13:01
Gerald Massey 244 SunSword 07-Apr-05 14:43
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Re: Gerald Massey 237 SunSword 07-Apr-05 17:12
Re: Gerald Massey 236 Kees 07-Apr-05 20:09
Links to Gerald Massey 206 Jaimi2 07-Apr-05 21:19
Tom Harpur's AOM session 219 Jaimi2 07-Apr-05 21:22
ECHO ???? 243 Kees 09-Apr-05 16:18
Re: why hide it 242 Elizabeth Newton 07-Apr-05 15:20
Re: why hide it 185 Nebankh 07-Apr-05 17:07
Re: why hide it 265 Elizabeth Newton 08-Apr-05 07:46
Re: Hidden Knowledge 248 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 23:07
Re: Hidden Knowledge 226 JamesH 07-Apr-05 00:02
Re: Hidden Knowledge 253 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 00:05
Re: Hidden Knowledge 221 JamesH 07-Apr-05 00:11
Re: Hidden Knowledge 225 Laird Scranton 07-Apr-05 00:45
Re: Hidden Knowledge 199 JamesH 07-Apr-05 01:07
AFRAID OF KNOWLEDGE! 195 debraregypt 07-Apr-05 14:07
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Re: Hidden Knowledge 304 Nolondil 06-Apr-05 04:54
Re: Hidden Knowledge 213 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 15:44
Re: Hidden Knowledge 242 Jim Alison 06-Apr-05 05:31
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Re: Hidden Knowledge 224 Farseeker 06-Apr-05 14:25
Re: esoteric knowlege 255 whytebyrd 06-Apr-05 20:05
Knowledge in plain sight? 249 Cesar 06-Apr-05 07:54
Re: Hidden Knowledge 263 Elizabeth Newton 06-Apr-05 10:02
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Re: Hidden Knowledge 236 coggas 06-Apr-05 12:23
Re: Hidden Knowledge 214 Laird Scranton 06-Apr-05 16:18
Re: Hidden Knowledge 207 SunSword 06-Apr-05 14:58
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Re: A question............... 197 Bent 06-Apr-05 17:18
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Re: A question............... 207 Bent 06-Apr-05 19:43
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Re: A question............... 253 debraregypt 07-Apr-05 12:41
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Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 206 music 06-Apr-05 15:49
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 139 michael saunders 06-Apr-05 16:43
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 185 debraregypt 06-Apr-05 22:48
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 223 Joyeuse 07-Apr-05 00:47
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 236 michael saunders 07-Apr-05 20:19
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 224 debraregypt 07-Apr-05 20:39
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 214 Joyeuse 07-Apr-05 22:32
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 217 Gary Osborn 06-Apr-05 17:58
Re: Hidden Knowledge Would not be Known... 174 Gary Osborn 07-Apr-05 10:52
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Re: Hidden Knowledge 246 Michael Hayes 06-Apr-05 16:36
Re: Hidden Knowledge 222 Joyeuse 07-Apr-05 01:13
Re: Hidden Knowledge 135 Michael Hayes 07-Apr-05 11:11
Re: Hidden Knowledge 253 Joyeuse 07-Apr-05 18:28
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