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DPCrisp wrote:
>
> Stickler, you say you're reminded of Chaucer... but then what
> do you think? Is it unintelligible to you, or quite the
> opposite?
>
> I've never read Chaucer before, but scanning through this
> passage, I find it remarkably plain English ("as plain as can
> be expected" from a poem). The spelling is fun, though
> distracting, and if I really wanted to digest this passage
> I'd rewrite first - but it wouldn't be very hard.

I posted it in connection with nonconformist's comments about changing vocabulary. I agreed with the point nonconformist was making. Geoffrey Chaucer's Middle English vocabulary confirms the point nonconformist was making. The Canterbury Tales are written in Middle English. I agree that they're comprehensible in this form for the most part. I disagree that Middle English is equivalent to "remarkably plain English". The spelling might be fun, but it wasn't nonconformist's point. Nor is it mine. It wasn't so much a question of spelling as of vocabulary.

Without cheating, perhaps you could hazard a guess as to what the following highlighted words mean:

Of Absolon and hende Nicholas,

But it were oonly Osewold the Reve.

He gan to grucche, and blamed it a lite.

This white top writeth myne olde yeris, Myn herte is also mowled as myne heris, But if I fare as dooth an open-ers, - That ilke fruyt is ever lenger the wers, Til it be roten in mullok or in stree.

"Foure gleedes han we whiche I shal devyse, - Avauntyng, liyng, anger, coveitise; Thise foure sparkles longen unto eelde.

Is Beowulf relevant to this particular discussion? If so, here's a snippet in the original Anglo-Saxon:

From [www.sacred-texts.com]

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
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monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
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ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat
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þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile. Him þæs liffrea,
wuldres wealdend, woroldare forgeaf;
Beowulf wæs breme (blæd wide sprang),
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.
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Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftum on fæder bearme,
þæt hine on ylde eft gewunigen
wilgesiþas, þonne wig cume,
leode gelæsten; lofdædum sceal
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in mægþa gehwære man geþeon.
Him ða Scyld gewat to gescæphwile
felahror feran on frean wære.
Hi hyne þa ætbæron to brimes faroðe,
swæse gesiþas, swa he selfa bæd,
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þenden wordum weold wine Scyldinga;
leof landfruma lange ahte.
þær æt hyðe stod hringedstefna,
isig ond utfus, æþelinges fær.
Aledon þa leofne þeoden,
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beaga bryttan, on bearm scipes,
mærne be mæste. þær wæs madma fela
of feorwegum, frætwa, gelæded;
ne hyrde ic cymlicor ceol gegyrwan
hildewæpnum ond heaðowædum,
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billum ond byrnum; him on bearme læg
madma mænigo, þa him mid scoldon
on flodes æht feor gewitan.

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