Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Actually my position is that rate of change is largely irrelevant. It is agreed I think that Shakespeare spoke and wrote in English and that that language has a continuous, real existence from his day to mine.

So if I wrote a book that put forward the proposition that Shakespeare spoke English and that I spoke English and that therefore we both spoke the same language, I would be taken aback if critics argued

1. I don't accept that: there are loads of words you use that Shakespeare didn't and vice versa or
2. I don't accept that; the phonograph was only invented in the ninteenth century so we don't know how Shakespeare pronounced his words or
3. I don't accept that: Shakespeare came from the West Midlands, you are from London ad we know from many sources that the two dialects were markedly diferent or
4.I don't accept that: the "Shakespearean" English you are referring to was likely a standardized version of the language just as Modern English is a standardized version of the native language each Englishman grew up with.

All arguments advanced in opposition to my thesis.

The rate of change only becomes relevant FOR ORTHODOXY who believe that Anglo-Saxon changed into English and Latin into French in a period of time time roughly analogous from the time that separates Shakespeare to ourselves.

Which reminds me that I have been reproved for a couple things that I honestly thought were Holy Writ. French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese (and others) are called the "Romance Languages" because they came from Roman (i.e. Latin); Latin America is called that for the same reason. Now I am being told something different. I do address this in the book but if anyone wants to take issue here I'm more than willing to re-state the case.

And on the subject of Latin, Nonconformist's statement "There were records of Latin spoken during the height of the Roman Empire after which Latin "died," became fixed, discontinued..." is to put it mildly disingenous.

We have records in Latin going back to the sixth century BC, we have records of Latin at the height of the Empire, we have records of Latin from the sixth century AD, we have records of Latin in the twenty-first century AD, and in all that time, it changed not one whit, not one jot, not one word, not one bit of syntax, not one bit of grammatical structure (OK, OK, Cicero introduced a rhetorical flourish or two and Gregory of Tours made an error or two but still...)

All youse guys who've spent the last two days queuing up to inform me how languages change might ponder that and give me your explanation.

Me, I have to explain nothing because in my book Latin was always a dead language, like Hebrew, like Sanskrit, like Classical Arabic, like Shakespearan English, that is used for purposes where being unchanged and unchangig is the point. It was never a spoken language in the ordinary sense at all, so certainly could not have given rise to French, Spanish etc. But I'm pepared to listen to your version.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
AOM: Anomoly One 137 AOM-Presenter 03-Apr-03 16:39
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 79 jameske 03-Apr-03 20:02
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 78 Doug 03-Apr-03 22:44
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 104 M J Harper 03-Apr-03 23:39
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 78 Nobody 04-Apr-03 00:16
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 76 M J Harper 04-Apr-03 00:29
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 105 Nobody 04-Apr-03 01:07
Cymri 193 nonconformist 04-Apr-03 04:59
Re: AOM: Anomaly One 92 nonconformist 04-Apr-03 03:31
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 97 M J Harper 04-Apr-03 04:17
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 107 nonconformist 04-Apr-03 05:20
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 93 Doug 04-Apr-03 06:47
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 122 HectorChico 04-Apr-03 10:26
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 96 M J Harper 04-Apr-03 12:56
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 111 DPCrisp 04-Apr-03 13:27
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 107 HectorChico 04-Apr-03 14:58
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 111 M J Harper 04-Apr-03 16:30
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 69 AOM-Presenter 04-Apr-03 16:31
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 130 nonconformist 05-Apr-03 02:15
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 116 AOM-Presenter 05-Apr-03 04:57
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 125 nonconformist 05-Apr-03 08:56
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 116 M J Harper 07-Apr-03 02:24
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 96 nonconformist 07-Apr-03 07:17
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 107 AOM-Presenter 07-Apr-03 15:00
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 71 nonconformist 08-Apr-03 00:27
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 98 M J Harper 08-Apr-03 01:01
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 116 nonconformist 08-Apr-03 03:50
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 94 DPCrisp 08-Apr-03 13:52
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 64 M J Harper 08-Apr-03 15:05
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 101 nonconformist 10-Apr-03 02:10
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 144 stickler 10-Apr-03 10:09
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 98 DPCrisp 10-Apr-03 10:59
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 88 stickler 10-Apr-03 12:32
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 115 AOM-Presenter 10-Apr-03 16:01
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 119 DPCrisp 10-Apr-03 16:47
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 116 stickler 10-Apr-03 17:26
Spellinge 110 AOM-Presenter 10-Apr-03 15:41
Re: Spellinge 105 stickler 10-Apr-03 15:50
Pronounciation 102 AOM-Presenter 10-Apr-03 16:19
Re: Pronounciation 109 stickler 10-Apr-03 17:33
Re: Pronounciation 108 AOM-Presenter 10-Apr-03 18:35
Re: Pronounciation 120 DPCrisp 11-Apr-03 09:39
Re: Spellinge 86 DPCrisp 10-Apr-03 16:34
Re: Spellinge 131 stickler 10-Apr-03 17:34
Re: Spellinge 103 DPCrisp 11-Apr-03 09:47
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 105 M J Harper 10-Apr-03 14:29
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 105 AOM-Presenter 10-Apr-03 15:16
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 93 DPCrisp 11-Apr-03 11:35
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 89 nonconformist 11-Apr-03 22:19
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 109 nonconformist 11-Apr-03 22:33
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 93 Doug 12-Apr-03 08:21
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 83 Doug 08-Apr-03 17:20
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 101 M J Harper 08-Apr-03 18:10
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 86 Doug 08-Apr-03 21:23
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 84 M J Harper 08-Apr-03 22:23
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 106 M J Harper 10-Apr-03 14:10
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 86 stickler 10-Apr-03 15:39
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 81 M J Harper 10-Apr-03 16:30
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 107 stickler 10-Apr-03 17:52
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 80 M J Harper 11-Apr-03 22:37
Re: AOM: Anomoly One 110 nonconformist 12-Apr-03 03:46


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.