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thinkitover Wrote:
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> I'm still not sure I even belong in this debate,
> I'm mostly concerned with what was built rather
> than how it was built, so I really haven't
> researched the subject properly and therefore
> something ignorant is due to pop out of my mouth
> at any second, but...
>
> Yes, I certainly think some thought needs to be
> given to whether stepped cores could have been
> built concurrent with the outer layers, or
> just slightly ahead of them, and perhaps
> more importantly, why they would have been
> constructed that and what might be advantageous
> about stepped cores or accretion layers from a
> structural point of view.
>
> I haven't read every post on in this thread let
> alone every post here on the subject, but you
> might be the only one I've seen talk about weight
> distribution and so forth concerning stepped
> cores.
>
> I'm not sure I see any reason why the history of
> the Meidum pyramid can't be as Thanos suggests,
> but if we're talking about any pyramids that
> weren't converted from step pyramids to
> regular pyramids at a later date, it seems to me
> like the whole idea of stepped cores might
> contraindicate the ramp concept.
>
> All I can picture so far is you build a ramp
> that's eventually as high as the stepped core so
> you don't have to drag blocks straight up a 70*
> slope, then you tear it down so it isn't in the
> way of adding the outer layers
, and then you
> build another one so you can get the outer
> blocks where they belong.
>
> If the challenge of it makes the use of ramps seem
> implausible (and it certainly does to me), perhaps
> the challenge of constructing a stepped core first
> makes them generally seem even more implausible.
>
> Maybe I'm just having a hard time picturing it all
> in general, but it really tries to seem to me like
> some important things might be mostly missing from
> the debate?
>
> Thank you for pointing in the right direction, at
> the very least.

Yes! This does seem to eliminate every single problem with the primitive knowledge and tools used by the builders and explain all the evidence. Yes, it's also likely that every single great pyramid didn't use exactly the same methods in equal measures.

But it does appear that in at least one case they may have begun building a large tower core on solid foundation pulling stones up on this core from above. They added a stepped core around this as they went while building the stepped outer pyramid around it that sat on no foundation other then a leveled surface. Stones for the tower core and the steps were pulled up from the step tops. The tower core was built in accretion layers and preceded step construction. Step tops were partially filled as they went to buttress the step sides and provide a destination for the casing stones being mined during the life of the project. The uppermost stones were pulled up from below as well and then the pyramids were finished from the top down. ie- the top step was completely finished before the step immediately below was finished. Casing stone was added from the bottom of each step going upward with the bottom course laid on stones designed to support them and then accept a narrow thin band of stone all the way around.

It appears that the tower core was intended principally to accept and distribute weight. Most of the bulk of the pyramid rested on it and most especially the bulk of the center of the pyramid that was heaviest. Much of the weight of the pyramid leaned against this core relieving forces on the bottom of the pyramid. Meidum partially collapsed during construction and then completely collapsed since and is now "stable". The first collapse may have been precipitated by poor engineering but the subsequent collapsing was probably earthquake. It appears the technique didn't work but even if I'm correct the sample size is too small and data too limited to draw conclusions like this.

It is undetermined at this time whether G1 has such a tower core or not but it would hardly be surprising. I believe the theory is sound and it does allow much lighter building of the steps and backing stone just as the gravimeteric scan indicates. The step tops are higher density chiefly because these need to be stronger to support a bottom row of casing stones and to minimize the danger of stones coming out. There are other activities at the step tops that would tend to cause higher density and these were working surfaces for years. I believe this would cause these to act as a delininiation between different density regions but chiefly these region are the result of different practices in filling of step tops.

I might have misinterpreted the high density region in G1 at ~365' on the NE side. Rather than being a storage area for water it might be the top of a tower core. This would suggest the highest unbalanced outward forces on the structure are about 200' up on the SE corner.

I believe there is and has been enough instrumentation and theory to solve how these were built in a very short time. All that is required is to apply modern science to the question. Everyone is fumbling around in the dark because someone put linguists in charge of the light switch.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-20 14:22 by cladking.

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Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 634 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 02:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 119 seasmith 05-Apr-20 04:18
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 100 thinkitover 05-Apr-20 11:08
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 92 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:26
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 84 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 98 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:54
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 88 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 76 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 87 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 04:21
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 70 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 62 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 72 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 15:58
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 68 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 17:44
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 86 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 23:24
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 75 seasmith 07-Apr-20 03:01
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 77 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 78 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:59
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 87 Thanos5150 08-Apr-20 16:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 82 Eddie Larry 08-Apr-20 17:15
Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 77 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 77 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 94 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 66 thinkitover 10-Apr-20 04:53
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 77 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 101 Thanos5150 10-Apr-20 22:42
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 72 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:23
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 78 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:48
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 74 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 84 cladking 11-Apr-20 16:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 83 Thanos5150 20-Apr-20 04:02
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 112 Steve Clayton 20-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 83 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 88 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 92 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:44
. 74 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:50
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 81 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 21:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 73 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 05:19
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 69 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 18:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 71 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 20:07
Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 105 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:53
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 74 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:45
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 82 Manu 06-Apr-20 01:27
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 69 cladking 06-Apr-20 02:21
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 88 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-20 14:57
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 76 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:36
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 79 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:20
Stone Block Math 95 Manu 07-Apr-20 05:32
Re: Stone Block Math 80 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 18:12
Re: Stone Block Math 84 Manu 07-Apr-20 20:57
Re: Stone Block Math 70 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:35
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 88 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:00
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 80 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-20 18:14
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 79 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:10
Anastasi I vs the ADA 76 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 23:08
Re: Anastasi I vs the ADA 80 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:32
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 74 Steve Clayton 14-Apr-20 17:40


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